Can I just say how happy that line makes me? I want to dance around the room.
The more I hear you guys talking the more I approve of this thread.
Guess what stops Clot better than Cyberdex? Click one Closed Accounts
I think Clot is going to be great. I always end up running some kind of Never Advance deck, so Clot will just be wasted deckspace.
At least against my Tennin deck. Titan or NBN versions do rely on the threat of FAâŚ
Itâs not that there arenât ways for a skilled player with all the right cards in hand to play around Clot. Itâs that, in actual testing, those stars donât line up nearly as often as the simple necessity of having a program tutor do for runners.
Tagstorm/Taxing NBN with a Never Advance shell seems to me to be the best way forward. Definitely worth including Psychographics in case the stars line up, but I wouldnât base my gameplan around getting that alignment!
Itâll be interesting to see if the NBN box gives them enough tools to bounce back!
Kate would like to say hi.
I wouldnât be so sure.
Fester in an Anarch clot deck wouldnât surprise me in the least. Never Advance relies on sufficient cash. Rez Clot with festers when Tenin has money.
The odds are good that Anarch has more recursion than you have moneyâŚ
This dude gets it.
Doesnât the latest info say â2 creds, 2 infâ? Also, even at 1 cost, it still turns off the SMC play for Kate
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Iâm really sorry, but my only answer to that article has got to be âCry me a fucking riverâ. Woe is you, now you have to play to 7 points like everyone else, not just to 2 points like you could until now.
Also, the notion of Noise playing three copies of a 2-cost virus that has a blank text in half the matchups and not being affected by it at all is just ridiculous.
Not if itâs 2 cost, like more recent reports are suggesting.
Ah, thought it was still 1 cost, my mistake.
Why would Tennin NA care about Fester? Sure, play your clots, the plan isnât to score from hand at allâŚ
NBN NA is really hurt when the threat of an Astro doesnât force runs on the remote. Tennin NA still has the Nisei MkII threat.
LOL @ the NBN hate. Whatever.
Great article. Last paragraph sums it up nicely. Stealth Andy is already the new Andysucker and this will only be exacerbated by Clot; just my hypothesis.
If weâre not going to threaten runners with a race, Stealthâs efficiency in the long game is definitely going to propel that archetype into the limelight.
Why do people assume that if you canât score from hand, Astro tokens are worthless?
Theyâre still useful even if Clot is on the table - suddenly, I can conceivably do a straight NAPD from a never-advanced state, possibly even a 3-point Beale. That means the pressure is still on, from 4 points onwards.
Sure, you might want Tollbooths instead of Quandaries for your scoring server, but thatâs probably a good thing (and runners will probably end up hating it even more). Corps now have the econ to support it.
I totally agree that theyâre not worthless, but as valuable as before Clot? Nope. Oldskool NBN NA threatens a full-on Astrotrain if you let a single Astro slip by, which is how you get the runner to eat an Edge of World.
Nisei MkII is just as dangerous as it was.
Well, duh. If they were, Clot would be worthless.
Are you proposing that NBN in its mid-Lunar incarnation (after Architect) is totally fine and needs no reining in?
Except not really. If you read up on @Lluluienâs original write-up, youâll see that the threat of letting an Astro slip by comes from being able to never-advance a PSF (which turns on both Raven and Snares). The EoW is there mostly just to upgrade PSF lock from âannoyanceâ to âlethalâ.
Iâve been playing NBN since the ancient times, and the full-on Astrotrain bullshit is a relatively new thing, mostly originating here (or thereabouts, chronologically). Remember what Lukas said in an interview at Worlds 2013? He was surprised not to see NBN players playing Biotic Labor⌠so it quite obviously wasnât a thing yet.
Iâve heard all kinds of stories of NEH players losing games because they canât get the second Astro. Theyâll sit with an NAPD in hand against a runner with 0 credits, or hold their Beale, because scoring one of those will stop the Astrotrain. Thatâs how calcified the NBN headspace is (themâs buzzwords!). The fact that Clot is making people shake their heads and wake up a bit (note that Iâm totes a âIâm taking Astrobiotics because I want to winâ tourney player) is great.
To the argument that âIf there were good NBN decks, wouldnât we have found themâ is missing a piece - there werenât NBN decks safer and faster than NEH Astro. If NEH Astro becomes less perfect, itâs possible there are a ton of NBN decks out there that are 55-60% win rate decks that were just discarded, because they werenât the 68%+ win of NEH.
And I want Plan B to work so so so bad. I keep trying to make decks that use it. I try to shoe horn it in Jinteki traps. I add it to Weyland aggressive decks. I put it everywhere, but it never stays.