Let's talk Whizzard

As do we all, man. As do we all. We do know he was running the full anarch suite, though. I’m certain of seeing Corroder and Mimic in the final game, and I’m fairly sure Yog was involved as well.

If it is really a 3 CC/0 NRE influence spread, that just only puts me more in awe of Timmy’s deckbuilding skill. Consider that he’s already proven that he’s not afraid to cut the Two Sacred Cows Of Anarch Deck Construction (namely Datasuckers and the Wyldcakes/Faust engine), having the guts to play BOTH Mimic and Yog without any way of boosting or lowering strength outside of manual Parasites… I don’t think I could have done that, not ever.

That being said, taking a step back, the 0 NRE setup does make sense in an Archerless meta. D4v1d deals with any huge ice and Yog and Mimic clean up the riffraff, with 4tman holding the middle ground. The question is: how consistently can you get out that Atman in a field so congested with Elis and Ichis? You only have the one Test Run, which you really really don’t want to burn on Atman, and Lotus Field craps all over the rest of your breaker suite. I guess we plebs who didn’t make it to 2 Worlds top 3s in a row will never know… :sweat_smile:

Whizzard’s ability is a great call against the plague of ETFood and Team Turtle NEH in the meta right now, IMO. I estimate that Timmy trashed about 18 credits’ worth of Campaigns and Ashes over the course of that last game, which is not an insignificant number. Although I find myself wondering if this midrange, L4J-style Anarch build can be imported into other IDs. (Here’s looking at you, Quetzal.)

My Whizzard performed very well at Worlds, going 6-2 against top competition throughout the day. I finished on the bubble at 11-5 because Fastro went 5-3. Ended in 25th place overall. The Whizz I played had no problems with FoodCoats, going 4-0 against it. Lost to Lucas Li’s NEH in a tight game and to Chris Hinke’s IG where I thought i was in control after 5+ siphons (he neural’d and missed the IHW for the awesome hail mary kill).

Here’s the deck:

Overweight Date - 25th at Worlds - 6-2

Whizzard: Master Gamer

Event (19)
2x Account Siphon ••••• •••
1x Amped Up
2x Day Job
3x Dirty Laundry
3x Déjà Vu
3x I’ve Had Worse
2x Inject
3x Sure Gamble

Hardware (4)
1x Archives Interface
2x Desperado ••••• •
1x Plascrete Carapace

Resource (6)
2x John Masanori
3x Same Old Thing
1x Utopia Shard •

Icebreaker (7)
2x Corroder
3x Knight
2x Mimic

Program (9)
2x D4v1d
2x Datasucker
2x Medium
3x Parasite

15 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)

The only thing I would change is take out Archives Interface for a singleton DLR I think. I never installed AI on the day (edit: I did install against IG, but never used it) and a DLR drop late game would have helped me add another layer of annoying pressure on the broke corps.

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I think the definitave example of that deck in action has to be Timmy’s nail-biter against David Hoyland in the loser’s finals - as tight fisted as David was with accesses, I think Timmy still got 12 or more credits out of whizzard, allowing him to keep Dave a bit too poor during critical setup time. The point is that his ID did a lot of work for him, and like every other balls-of-steel card choice in his deck (no datasuckers whaaa??) it was an absolutely perfect meta call.

I’ve been considering dropping data suckers in l4j because I rarely find myself installing them in time for them to be useful. Generally when I do use them it will be once to help parasite something faster. That said I would never cut the NRE, ichi and Eli alone are too much to rely on parasite. Props to Timmy for placing whizzard so high, but I think he’s an incredibly strong ID with many viable builds.

totally agree, and it’s not like I’m going to be taking out 'suckers anytime soon; all that I meant to say was that Timmy’s deck gave me the impression of being more of a scalpel that a machete: intended to cut up this very specific meta, but not necessarily the most widely applicable whizzard list ever (especially for those of us not even close to his level of play…)

Here’s the list! I’ll be working on a NRDB writeup too.

The Morning After

Whizzard: Master Gamer (What Lies Ahead)

Event (14)

Hardware (5)

Resource (12)

Icebreaker (6)

Program (8)

15 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Underway

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.


Imp was for the 24/7 kill matchup that I never saw, though it still did good work at trashing @Cerberus’s Hedge Funds. Cut it for something like +1 D4v1d +1 Stimhack if 24/7 turns out not to be a big thing; I think that would make the HB matchup favorable. Influence is tight as always, but NRE or a second Atman are also worth consideration because HB has so much 4/5-strength ice. No Datasuckers because everyone has CVS and it tends to do nothing against NBN anyway.

It’s a pretty straightforward deck, but let me know if you have any other questions!

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What really does it for me here is the 3 inject 3 peddler. It seems like you can get access to what you need super fast. I think 2 stimhack has been long the right call we’ve been missing (d1en had 2 in his list too). Great deck.

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Peddler-Inject/Clone/Stim is some good.

As always, we bow down to @tmoiynmwg’s greatness.

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The 3 Peddler with 14 events seems really ballsy to me, especially with no SOT to back up. How often do you get stuff like the Test Run lost forever on shitty Peddler draws, I wonder?

That being said, I love the 2 stimhack as well. The draw power in this deck is so insane I don’t think you actually miss not having Wyldcakes, to be honest.

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Pretty often, to be honest! I think you just have to roll with that though, because the way the deck functions fast enough to compete is by having all the burst draw. SOT doesn’t really do anything here, but maybe you could make room for Deja Vu or the third Stimhack.

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How did Test Run fare? I didn’t see you using it in any streamed game.

From my experience I usually lose one Stimhack to Peddler, so I started playing 3 with Brain Cage.

Test Run was a great suggestion from @Calimsha. It’s the most versatile card in the deck, so I was never sad to draw it - having access to a tutor, recursion, or a surprise Femme is a great feeling. It did get peddled or brain damaged a lot, though. :frowning:

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a little disappointed that you have deck named the morning after with no morning star :smiling_imp:

Every time you took a brain damage from an Ichi it made me so happy. Running through like a boss.

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No questions, but I was rooting for you SUPER hard. Can’t wait to see that insane NEH list!

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I’ve been 8 games undefeated with this list. I think it’s absolutely perfect, well done!

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First game last night after shifting from good val after hearing the Terminal 7 interview, where your thoughts on it mirrored what I experienced playing it for the past several months.
It slayed. Sold.

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As a long-time Whizzard player, the MWL hit me pretty hard. 3 of the cards on the list are staples in the Whizzard lists most have been running for years. These 3 cards are Clone Chip, Parasite, and Yog. I’m curious to see what other players are considering cutting in light of the MWL. The build I am going to be testing starting tomorrow is this:

###[DJ Wooley][1] (45 cards)

  • [Whizzard: Master Gamer][2]

Event (8)

  • 2 [Career Fair][3] ••
  • 3 [I’ve Had Worse][4]
  • 3 [Sure Gamble][5]

Hardware (5)

  • 2 [Clone Chip][6] ••••
  • 1 [Plascrete Carapace][7]
  • 2 [Turntable][8]

Resource (15)

  • 3 [Daily Casts][9]
  • 3 [Earthrise Hotel][10]
  • 1 [Ice Carver][11]
  • 2 [Kati Jones][12]
  • 3 [Liberated Account][13]
  • 3 [Street Peddler][14]

Icebreaker (6)

  • 1 [Atman][15] •••
  • 2 [Corroder][16]
  • 2 [Mimic][17]
  • 1 [Yog.0][18]

Program (11)

  • 2 [D4v1d][19]
  • 2 [Datasucker][20]
  • 2 [Imp][21]
  • 2 [Medium][22]
  • 3 [Parasite][23]

Built with [http://netrunner.meteor.com/][24]
[1]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/decks/zpMQnbjfd4k6stDXu
[2]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/whizzard-what-lies-ahead
[3]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/career-fair-breaker-bay
[4]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/ive-had-worse-order-and-chaos
[5]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/sure-gamble-core
[6]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/clone-chip-creation-and-control
[7]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/plascrete-carapace-what-lies-ahead
[8]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/turntable-chrome-city
[9]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/daily-casts-creation-and-control
[10]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/earthrise-hotel-the-source
[11]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/ice-carver-core
[12]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/kati-jones-humanitys-shadow
[13]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/liberated-account-trace-amount
[14]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/street-peddler-the-underway
[15]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/atman-creation-and-control
[16]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/corroder-core
[17]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/mimic-core
[18]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/yog-0-core
[19]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/d4v1d-the-spaces-between
[20]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/datasucker-core
[21]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/imp-what-lies-ahead
[22]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/medium-core
[23]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/parasite-core
[24]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/decks/zpMQnbjfd4k6stDXu

A few notes:

  1. have been playing Turntable over Grimoire for a few months now, and I haven’t missed Grimoire even once. Turntable makes NBN and Jinteki match-ups much easier. It’s not just good for swapping Nisei against Jinteki, either; it also helps against decks that use Mushin. You give them their Mushin scores and just pound centrals.

  2. Within the L4J/Wooley framework, I think the question is whether to cut NRE or Clone Chips. I think @kiv in his recent MWL video cut Clone Chips. I think either method can work. Personally, I am going to try playing without NRE first, and see how it goes. Having the access to instant Parasites is stronger than NRE, IMO, even if we are only playing with 2 Clone Chips. Granted, we do have Peddler for instant installs, but being able to recur D4v1d and other programs is pretty fundamental to this deck. I believe that it will be more than possible to manage without NRE, if piloted correctly. This may mean more of a reliance on Suckers, which is unfortunate as I had almost entirely cut them from the deck, pre-MWL.

tl;dr My first inclination is to -2 NRE -1 Clone Chip, slotting 2 Imp and 1 Datasucker in their stead.

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Where I’m landing at first blush.

L4J

Whizzard: Master Gamer (What Lies Ahead)

Event (11)

Hardware (5)

Resource (14)

Icebreaker (6)

Program (9)

13 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Underway

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

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You are willing to abandon parasites almost entirely? Are you letting Damon win?

Seriously though, this is my version that I really like. Inspired by @TheBigBoy’s Cutlery Kim deck, I adjusted it for the post-Damonpocalypse meta

###[Cutlery Whiz][1] (45 cards)

  • [Whizzard: Master Gamer][2]

Event (14)

  • 1 [Career Fair][3] •
  • 2 [Forked][4]
  • 3 [I’ve Had Worse][5]
  • 2 [Knifed][6]
  • 1 [Legwork][7] ••
  • 1 [Levy AR Lab Access][8] •••
  • 1 [Spooned][9]
  • 3 [Sure Gamble][10]

Hardware (4)

  • 2 [Clone Chip][11] ••••
  • 2 [Turntable][12]

Resource (12)

  • 2 [Adjusted Chronotype][13]
  • 3 [Daily Casts][14]
  • 3 [Liberated Account][15]
  • 1 [Same Old Thing][16]
  • 3 [Wyldside][17]

Icebreaker (4)

  • 1 [Corroder][18]
  • 2 [Faust][19]
  • 1 [Mimic][20]

Program (11)

  • 2 [D4v1d][21]
  • 2 [Datasucker][22]
  • 2 [Imp][23]
  • 2 [Medium][24]
  • 3 [Parasite][25]

Built with [http://netrunner.meteor.com/][26]
[1]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/decks/sK7mnACxk2susX3T9
[2]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/whizzard-what-lies-ahead
[3]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/career-fair-breaker-bay
[4]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/forked-order-and-chaos
[5]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/ive-had-worse-order-and-chaos
[6]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/knifed-order-and-chaos
[7]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/legwork-honor-and-profit
[8]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/levy-ar-lab-access-creation-and-control
[9]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/spooned-order-and-chaos
[10]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/sure-gamble-core
[11]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/clone-chip-creation-and-control
[12]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/turntable-chrome-city
[13]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/adjusted-chronotype-the-valley
[14]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/daily-casts-creation-and-control
[15]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/liberated-account-trace-amount
[16]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/same-old-thing-creation-and-control
[17]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/wyldside-core
[18]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/corroder-core
[19]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/faust-the-underway
[20]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/mimic-core
[21]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/d4v1d-the-spaces-between
[22]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/datasucker-core
[23]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/imp-what-lies-ahead
[24]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/medium-core
[25]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/parasite-core
[26]: http://netrunner.meteor.com/decks/sK7mnACxk2susX3T9

I was considering Crescentus instead of Career fair but it puts more strain on the memory and is even more awkward with less clone chips. I found the legwork does more work and I can also cut to 45 cards.

This deck aims to pressure the corp mainly on R&D, destroying the ice in the way, but what I also like is that, by doing this, we put a strain on their economy, clicks and even the ice themselves and we can get in other places as well. The single legwork might need to be something else then.

The single Same Old Thing is, of course, Levy protection but it can also work for so much else when Levy is totally safe. Obviously, the way to deal with Turing is to parasite it down on centrals and D4V1D everywhere else. Now, I’m personally not sure what’s better - the 1 Spooned, 2 Forked or 2 Spooned, 1 Forked as of yet. It’s hard for me to predict which might dominate more in the post-Damonpocalypse meta - high strength code gates or very annoying sentries. Apart from Archer, sentries seems to be handled easily with parasite, so I’m not totally sure yet.

Turntable is obviously there for the astrobiotics matchup. We all know it’s not going ANYWHERE, and Damon should’ve expected that. I might even need to add clot for the late game when it might seem relevant. Something that’s good though, is that their ice got more vulnerable and worse, so that might be a boon and we might handle them more easily than pre-Damonpocalypse.