I once played against au revoir snitch CT on octgn, playing blue sun bootcamp glacier. A deck whose sole purpose is to make buckets of money very slowly is bootcamp glacier’s natural enemy, and yet I still won (thanks to double ash in the scoring remote). I spent like three turns just to bootcamp all my outermost ice on each server, forgot until after I trashed my bootcamp that I also needed an ice on archives to lock her out, and won anyway, despite her 50 or so credits at the end.
I played a deck that should be the best possible matchup for au revoir, I wasted three turns on a mistake, and still au revoir was not able to win. Yeah. Not impressed.
I don’t mean to be derisive to jank-loving, but – for now perhaps the jank-lovers will celebrate the discovery that something like this “is tier 1” just because it got lucky in a strong player’s hands one time, but it will all shake out come regionals.
In the meantime let me emphasize:
Anyone who’s against netdecking because they think the primary skill of this game is in deckbuilding, and that there’s nothing to learn from studying why the “spike” decks are good, could not be more wrong. And anyone who discourages new players from playing matchups between decks they had no hand in creating is doing the community a great disservice.
That is true neither in terms of credits nor in terms of other intangibles like card slots or smc pressure. 3 au + 1 snitch is 5c, just like opus. It’s more if you assume you’ll use SMC more than once on it. And it’s also 4 card slots in your deck (opus takes 1-3 depending if you like duplicates), 4 memory (opus takes 2). And 8 influence to opus’s 0. AND you have to burn like half of your tutoring power (smcs/clone chips) so you have a harder time getting the rest of your rig set up.
I don’t think this is true, you can Testrun or SMC Magnum Opus in your first turn and click it still (or Scavenge it, if you like). That is if you didn’t draw it in your starting hand. The same is not true for 3x Au Revoir.
The problem to me is that you cannot make the pieces fall together quite so quickly/cheaply, and it sacrifices your NEH matchup.I did a Control + F on the tournament report and saw no mention of facing any NEH so I guess it makes sense.
It might be actually good if everything was slow glacier but I doubt that will ever be the full meta.
Still off-topic: I personally saw zero NEH at Card Kingdom. (I did, however, face a Making News with Manhunt, Data Raven, Information Overload, etc etc). Also seen in the wild here, though not at a SC: Data Folding Kate with 3x DF, 3x Underworld Contacts, Aesops Pawnshop, The Toolbox, Dyson Mem Chip, the sort of stuff that folks are discussing over yonder at Recurring Credits and Clickless Runner Econ.
I would attribute that to the fact that bootcamp glacier is one of the obvious counters to a Au Revior econ plan.
Overall, I think people are overstating the jank level of the Seattle meta. Not a month ago at the Raygun SC it seemed everyone and their clone had shone up with a MaxX Eater-Keyhole deck. Currently about a third of the corps, maybe even half, are Blue Sun.
i still think NEH and RP are way better than blue sun and the more i see maxx and anarch decks in general they are still anarch decks that can suffer from inconsistency and poor econ.
Remember, the MaxX train was when a lot of people were hyped about it just after O&C hit. It turned out to not be quite to that level, but you could feel Sly Squid’s influence in the room.
RP suffers from a moderate stealth Andy presence. NEH is a bit of a mystery, but my theory is that Seattle players seem really adverse to bad matchups. Wanton certainly adds a bit more worry to Astrobotics, and there’s a lot more medium running around (not just in anarch decks), as well as a few assholes like me playing Edward Kim.
Hence the cautious, quite even keeled Blue Sun. That’s not identical decks of course - some vegan, some standard, a variant on bblum’s deck, 6 agendas+murder. It’s hardly like we’re swimming in Stronger Together decks, or something that ludicrous.
(Also, RP in Seattle seems to have cut ELP for some bizarre reason(maybe the MaxX craze), which might explain something - however, that’s just from the two RPs that I’ve played in the last two tournaments)
Just copying this from a Whizzard thread, @Elthane’s winning Whizzard from SLC Store Champs.
Players: 35, 5 rounds Swiss, cut to top 8
His other deck was an NBN Making News build. Great player and great guy. Maybe he’ll add his corp build to this thread too…
Whizzard: Master Gamer
Event (27)
2x Account Siphon ••••• •••
2x Amped Up
3x Day Job
3x Déjà Vu
2x Forked
3x I’ve Had Worse
2x Inject
1x Knifed
2x Modded ••••
2x Spooned
3x Sure Gamble
2x Wanton Destruction
Hardware (1)
1x Box-E •
Resource (8)
2x Data Leak Reversal
1x Hades Shard •
3x Joshua B.
2x Liberated Account
“I will be doing a write up soon, been busy with the new job. Hopefully I will get a chance on Sunday. I have been playing variations of this for months and I think O&C finally gave it what it needs to succeed. Many of my ideas for this deck and its previous iterations have come from reading and asking questions of Jaoa Almeida’s posts especially his BGG “Sic Itur Ad Astra” series.” - Elthane
I was the pilot of the Au Revoir Chaos Theory deck, and I’ve been working on it for quite some time now. A lot of the criticisms being levied at it are pretty reasonable. But it gets set up a lot faster than you might expect, and has the flexibility to hold off on setting up its enginen in order to put some early pressure on NEH, or similar FA decks.
I won’t say that it’s top tier, but it’s very consistent. Over the course of a game, the amount of money I make through Au Revoir generally outpaces Opus pretty quickly. Turns are often spent making a run (usually R&D) and 9 credits. ELP hurts quite a bit, but even then, this package still has more econ potential than opus. Between the current incarnation, a version with a +1 Stimhack +1 Utopia Fragment -1 Vamp -1 Plascrete, and an earlier Doppelganger variant, Au Revoir in CT has won 12 out of 17 games in three tournaments (5 of 7 in the last tournament)
It looks functional. It’s got money and breakers and everything. I just think it’d be better off without the consoles and au reviors with Katis and Lucky Finds and a single opus or something.
Older players will recognize the influence on this deck from last years NBN, specifically the “Yellow Jackets” deck that was floating around which was created by Sam Suied. My only real innovation on this deck involves using Viper, Markus, and Troll together to tax clicks as well as credits. I would say that this strategy is what directly won me the SC.
if the meta is going to give you setup time which apparently seattle is then the viable runner choices opens up a lot.
i’ve played a few games against the au revoir deck as nick has been testing it and the amount of money is more deceptive than just what you get from the engine. you never hit a piece of taxing or destroying or grail without the right tool which is money and time you don’t spend recovering. honestly i think supplier andy is probably better because overmind is a sick tool for freezing early rush plays and the au revoir deck is less equipped to freeze the remote.
The first point is certainly true - it’s part of what made the Tenin deck scary.
In addition to the Snitch information, the econ is so damn robust. A deck with Kati Jones and event econ is naturally a bit swingy. It has a good average, but it can just brick out, leaving a potential scoring window.
When Au CT gets set up, and unless you can engineer a turn off (which is difficult) then they have mountains of money, all the time.
