Post MWL NBN FA

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I was going to mention this, but I think he might have meant with 2 astros scored, no advancing a beale for 3 points with those is possible…maybe?

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Pretty much this. It’s adapt or die and with NBN I believe adaptation shouldn’t be terribly difficult. The faction gets the lion’s share of the good cards to an extent that is borderline stupid. Can’t imagine that changing anytime soon.

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correct, I was including it with “N-A plays you can do with astro tokens or san san,” but san san doesn’t help w/ that one.

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the key will be, once they are tagged up, waggling your eyebrows provocatively every time you play a pad campaign. #headgamez

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That what i’ve been testing lately :

Post clot NBN

Near-Earth Hub: Broadcast Center (Upstalk)

Agenda (11)

Asset (7)

Upgrade (5)

Operation (10)

Barrier (5)

Code Gate (7)

Sentry (4)

17 influence spent (max 17)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to All That Remains

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

The idea behind Targeted Marketing is to have some kind of reliable econ engine to fuel the Ash trace but i’m not certain at all if it’s the right direction. I had good results but i’m uncertain if those results was because this list being good or me being better than my opponents.

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#FirstWorldProblems

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My prediction – there will be no tier 1 NBN deck, period. And it will struggle to make tier 1.5.

Why?

With no more fast decks left to keep turbo-rig shaper out of the meta, the king of code gates will get kicked off its throne.

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Those 3 cards are the basis of every shaper deck I make nowadays - still, NBN has Information Overload, which can be extremely taxing, along with pop-up and RSVP. Many of NBN’s Ice other than Tollbooth also fold to Femme, like Data Raven and Flare, but you can only have 3 Femmes total, and most shapers I see only have 2.

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I think a lot of people here are underrating how good clot is against FA strategies. Unless you have CVS, the thing doesn’t go away unless you Time Walk yourself. CVS also happens to take up valuable slots, whihc is the main problem I’ve found in fighting clot. On top of that, NBN is probably the faction least well suited to building and defending a remote as it probably has the worst econ cards over a long game and is competing for the worst ICE. Ash seems necessary since Red Herrings is kind of a joke (doesn’t let you leverage any money advantage you might have) but that chews through a good portion of your influence that you probably have to spend on ICE and econ.

@Calimsha , your deck looks like it will have trouble competing in the late game since all the ICE bar Tollbooth is pretty meager, and as @bblum points out, a single Femme (you don’t even need TR -> Scavenge) can ruin your day. @hhooo and I tried Targeted Marketing before Worlds and we were unimpressed even when we knew our opponent’s entire deck list. When we didn’t know it was basically just gambling.

@voltorocks , Midseasons demands that you maintain a sizable money advantage over the runner in order to pull it off and the runner economy is stronger than the corps right now. Before the corp could get around this by threatening the Astro train. Then the runner has to spend all sorts of money making repeat runs, mostly hitting nothing trying to stop you from winning. But if they can disrupt your train without spending loads of cash on runs, suddenly they have a lot longer to build up their reserves unmolested and leave you in a position where you can’t win. I’ve played a lot of Midseasons and of the games I’ve won probably 45-55% of them were just from training out. Denying this option kills the deck. You can’t win a tournament off the back of Midseasons alone.

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Targeted marketing is for naming clot. TM goes way up in value I think.

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Caveat emptor here: I haven’t played enough over the past year to be very familiar with the current metagame.

That said, back in the day when I think I could’ve said with a straight face that I was the best NBN player in the game, I used my Astroscript tokens for ammunition for tag punishment (giving myself an extra click on Breaking News) more than I used them for chaining Astroscripts, and I almost never rezzed SanSan. Not being able to score on my turn really wouldn’t have put me out that much during that time with my Never Advance deck.

That doesn’t automatically mean that Never Advance will be a good archetype right now, because there might be other reasons why it would or wouldn’t work. But for what it’s worth, Clot wouldn’t have been more than an annoyance. Legwork and Emergency Shutdown are both way worse for NBN Never Advance.

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Here’s my shitty attempt at NBN:

NEH Glacier?!?!

Near-Earth Hub: Broadcast Center (Upstalk)

Agenda (11)
3x AstroScript Pilot Program (Core Set)
2x Chronos Project (First Contact)
3x NAPD Contract (Double Time)
3x Project Beale (Future Proof)

Asset (12)
3x Daily Business Show (All That Remains)
3x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves)
3x Marked Accounts (Cyber Exodus)
3x PAD Campaign (Core Set)

Upgrade (2)
2x Caprice Nisei (Double Time) ••••• •••

Operation (7)
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
1x Interns (Mala Tempora)
3x Sweeps Week (True Colors)

Barrier (5)
3x Eli 1.0 (Future Proof) •••
2x Wraparound (Fear and Loathing)

Code Gate (9)
3x Enigma (Core Set)
3x Pop-up Window (Cyber Exodus)
3x Tollbooth (Core Set)

Sentry (3)
3x Architect (Up and Over) ••••• •
17 influence spent (max 17)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to All That Remains

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

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I’m not opposed to going back to the old strategy of throwing stuff behind a Data Raven/Eli remote and seeing what they run. Midseason was the counterpoint to that, maybe just 1 copy or so would actually still be good enough.

Not sure if SanSan is still an auto include, but it’s still absurd against Crim, even if just for the Siphon defense.

Sub Boost on a Data Raven is also positively delightful. Hmm.

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I think Astrobiotics will be dead, but I don’t think Astrolight will be.

With Biotic Labor, SMC into Clot is easy.

Corp install, Advance, Biotic - Runner SMCs Clot in the paid ability window before subsequent advancements.

With Trick of Light, SMC Clot is more difficult.

Corp install, Advance - Runner SMCs Clot in the paid ability window before the Trick of Light. Corp rezzes Reversed Accounts, pops it, and the runner is down 7c.

I’m not sure that Reversed Account shenanigans will work “in the field”, but they are something I am eager to experiment with.

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I’m with you, I think with a little redesign and some cheeky play, you’ll be able to pull wins off with Space Ice NEH once people start slowing down runner decks and just lean on clot to beat the fast corps.

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Another thing you can do is if it is the agenda comes out and they SMC/Clot after install/advance, is install Jackson Howard over top of the stranded agenda with your last click, then pop Jackson to save the agenda from archives.

These tricks don’t really work with Biotic Labor because by the time they SMC/Clot you’re out 4c and the Biotic Labor, which isn’t worth the Reversed Accounts bluff or the Jackson over-write play.

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I take issue with this post. I don’t know who crowned you “King of NBN” (and Best NBN player? ha.) just because you created a thread on BGG, but I have to tell you - Never Advance was not a good deck. The reason it won some games is most runners were bad back then and had no idea what to do. The two best decks at the time you made that post were by a LARGE margin not NBN. I am not sure where you live, but I suspect it has something to do with your meta.

I hate to sound like the dick here but somebody has to break the news to you.

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I’m curious if running Ghost branch/Tagging ice/Psychographics might be the way to go.

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this a compilation of my thinkings on neh in futureland

Shitheap of neh ideas

Near-Earth Hub: Broadcast Center (Upstalk)

Agenda (11)
3x AstroScript Pilot Program (Core Set)
2x Breaking News (Core Set)
1x Market Research (Fear and Loathing)
2x NAPD Contract (Double Time)
3x Project Beale (Future Proof)

Asset (8)
1x Aggressive Secretary (Core Set) [color=#8A2BE2]••[/color]
1x Ghost Branch (Core Set)
3x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves)
3x Marked Accounts (Cyber Exodus)

Upgrade (3)
1x Cyberdex Virus Suite (Order and Chaos)
2x SanSan City Grid (Core Set)

Operation (13)
1x Closed Accounts (Core Set)
1x Fast Track (Honor and Profit)
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
1x Psychographics (Core Set)
2x Shipment from SanSan (Second Thoughts)
3x Sweeps Week (True Colors)
2x Trick of Light (Trace Amount) [color=#DC143C]••••• •[/color]

Barrier (7)
3x Asteroid Belt (Order and Chaos) [color=#006400]••••• •[/color]
2x Wall of Static (Core Set)
2x Wraparound (Fear and Loathing)

Code Gate (3)
2x Enigma (Core Set)
1x Quandary (Double Time)

Sentry (4)
1x Data Raven (Core Set)
3x Shadow (Core Set) [color=#006400]•••[/color]
17 influence spent (max 17)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Order and Chaos

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

This is obviously terrible, but I think there will be one or two workable strategies in here if you pare down to something more focused. I like Shipment because it provides Clot counterplay and interacts extremely well with the Space Ice, but maybe cutting the space ice for ice walls (?) and running Elis as well would be better.

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