desperado- putting other consoles to shame since 2012 
have you tried hacktivist meeting yet ? that is the one card i was curious about in decks like this.
I actually was running 2 over david and keyhole #2, thought it was in the list but I guess I didnāt add it on netrunnerdb. Thatās what I get for copy pasting I guess.
Now I need to try this deck again 
Why Earthrise over IHW?
Why only 2 Eater (seems sad against Architect)?
Earthrise is a more powerful effect, and I find I donāt need help in the matchups where IHW is at its best (pe/scorch). Especially without vigil or logos to dig, you need all the card draw you can get.
2 Eater is because knight is often more powerful, unless they get a lot of ice and money very fast. Most ice is similar in price to break, and knight lets you actually access cards
The difference between IHW and Earthrise is 3 credits for 3 cards. Thatās a really expensive Diesel.
Are you putting Knight on everything that you face-check though? My guess is you just arenāt big on face-checking centrals; instead you are spending the early game setting up. I feel like a corp who knows your deck could score pretty safely in a 2 ice remote with only 1 ice on centrals, but I guess thatās what you mean about if they get a lot of ice and money very fast. And even then they are risking Eater -> Vamp, and will be putting themselves at risk of getting headlocked by scoring.
Most of the time I just face check naked. Architect and komainu are the only 2 Iām really worried about, and no one plays komainu anymore, so odds are it isnāt one of those two. Occasionally I puss out and wait for breakers, but I usually lose those games.
Whenever I face check it is ALWAYS Architect ;_;/
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depending on their money/which click it is architect can be recoverable, hacktivist meeting also helps against the asset econ architect hits.
Iāve recently started messing around with this archetype, starting with @SamRSās SSCI list. One recent catch though: Turning. It seems to turn a tough matchup worse. Any thoughts?
Youāve got to hit Turing with a parasite or d4v1d.
Run Click 1.
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David, although I think Turing will fade from use. Not great against most decks
What do you guys do against Wraparound on HQ? Paying 2 with Knight for a Lamprey hit is bad, and itās only 4 to rez as well, so repeated Crescentus isnāt great either.
Iām wondering if the better option is to go harder on the ICE control and put in some Datasuckers.
Why is paying 2 for a lamprey hit bad?
Because the corp had enough credits that I couldnāt keep them down with Lamprey. Facing anything with ELP sucks as well, especially when there arenāt any compelling currents to put in the deck (The Valley wasnāt legal, let alone Breaker Bay).
Why are you asking for solutions for a problem now, while restricting said solutions from the two most recent datapacks?
Hacktivist Meeting trumps ELP tenfold.
Breaking Wraparound for 2 with knight is fine. Itād be the same as all other single sub binary ICE - only this one canāt be parasited down (though can eat D4v1d counters easily if you want)
Knifed also gets wraparound pretty good
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Iāve been trying Turing as a 1-of in RP for the scoring remote, and itās not badā¦not great, but not bad, I mean itās a 4 rez, 5 strength hard ETR Code Gate, which is definitely nice, I suppose, but I donāt think youāll see much of any deck running more than 1 of it.
Good question. Iād just come out of a regionals where The Valley arrived too late to be permitted, and Breaker Bay hasnāt arrived yet. So I posted a situation that didnāt seem too uncommon, and hoped to learn how to improve my play.
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As someone who got super annoyed playing against this in SHL, I got interested in it 
Is this a tier1 deck or is it not there (yet)? Iād love to read through 420 posts, but Iām guessing it also has a lot of outdated information