no love for liz mills ? you can tutor her with bootcamp and she can either ice a workshop or make valencia really sad.
Is that decklist posted somewhere?
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Itās a good card, and youāll find yourself thanking Cyberdex Inc. for their services on more than one occasion.
NEH is fast enough to outrace that deck. HBFA might be as well.
Elizabeth Mills wonāt always work because the deck runs Fall Guy to protect Personal Workshop.
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Nope. Theyāll single parasite and Darwin first Curtain and single parasite kill secondā¦
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Cyberdex is also useful in other matchups, potentially saving a hive or a tollbooth from parasite against kate or regmax. Itās a clear choice over Mills (and EBC is enough vs valencia).
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What card(s) are you considering cutting for a Cyberdex? Do you think one Cyberdex is enough, or try to find room for two?
What are peopleās thoughts after playing against Hactivist Meeting with Boot Camp Glacier? Itās incredibly annoying, but Iāve found it hasnāt cost me a game yet and is not worth spending deck slots trying to counter.
One is definitely enough. Just dig hard for your atlas, rush it out, make some semblance of defending R&D to force out their amps and stims, and you auto win. Iād probably play it instead of snatch and grab ā canāt justify cutting a crisium for it. You could also cut an ice (the taurus or wormhole).
Havenāt played against hacktivists. Seems pretty annoying, but with interns+EBC you have easy access to jackson, so itās probably only a problem of losing random utility cards you were waiting to use. If I discard a NAPD to it I probably wonāt even bother looking to shuffle it back.
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A rezzed and protected SanSan is likely to be too fast out of any NBN ID, particularly with Fast Track. A protected IAA Breaking News is also a threat.
HBFA struck me as being too slow. Between finding the agendas, gaining the econ to score and putting up at least a token defence, it took too long before Maxx could combo out.
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Thanks for the writeup, @bblum! Love the detailed sections on the different matchups. Iāve been playing Blue Sun for a while, but mostly Timmy-style Hostile/Archer + Scorch and, briefly, Takeover/Puni. I think itās time to finally join the Glacier crew. Also, time to put Hive back in my decksā¦Fire Wall really hasnāt cut the mustard.
I came here to ask about replacing a Pri Req with High Risk Investment, but it looks like a couple of folks already beat me to the punch. Personally, Iāve enjoyed playing it as a way to prevent runners from sitting back and clicking MOpus; if theyāre broke, then Iām probably winning anyway, and if not, it combos well with Ash (or Midseasons, if applicable). Plus, I sometimes find that I donāt have anything good to rez with Pri Req, so I feel okay not having 2.
Sadly, it doesnāt do much about PPVP Kate pulling 9 credits out of thin air. God, I wish Student Loans had a higher trash cost.
Also, how do people feel about using Hostile/Archer with Liz to cancel out the bad pub? Consensus seems to be thatās not worth it, but Iām curious why. Is it just that youād rather be recurring an Adonis in your remote?
A good example of what Iām thinking of is @tomdidiotās deck: Fried Runner, Sunny Side Up. 2nd Place Manchester Regional Ā· NetrunnerDB
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Any thoughts on a one-off Blacklist? I dropped a lotus field for one. If shapers arenāt careful, you can straight up lock them out against Lady and CyCy, especially if the Atman is in the bin.
Against combo MaxX, if you can keep her off 2/3ās of her deck with an early Blacklist that might give you more than enough time in most games to score out.
I think Hostiles are great in Scorchy variants of Blue Sun because they give you an early economic boost and make you less reliant on the Oversight-Curtain Wall Combo. Bad pub is far more palatable in those Blue Suns because if things get out of hand, they can still Scorch and arenāt limited to Ash games in increasingly-porous servers
I donāt think theyāre as good in Vegan Glacier because they increase agenda density, and youāre taking up a lot of space with the Lizzy/Hostile Combo (Iām taking up 5 deck slots). Granted, itās a very potent combo (and particularly good at Noise-hosing), but you really donāt want to score out Hostiles unless you can clear the bad pub very quickly: i.e. you have Lizzies in hand, so the Hositles often end up getting stuck and being unscorable in your hand. Keep in mind that in my Blue Sun, I WANT to increase agenda density with lots of crappy little 1 and 2 pointers because it gives me more opportunities to Midseasons my opponent.
Iām writing up a tourney report, and will be sbumitting it shortly detailing how my deck plays in more detail.
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Putting aside the consistency and deckspace issue of having a combo to undo BP, archer just isnāt a good enough piece of ice anymore to make the upside of that package rewarding enough. The subroutines never fire; at best it just deters runs until the runner is ready, and at worst itās even more devastating for it to be emergency shutdowned than a curtain wall.
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How frequently are you able to actually make it impactful versus it just being blank most of the time? What if the shaper is careful? On one hand, itās nice that you can bootcamp it out precisely when it would matter; on the other, seems like a lot of stars need to align for the right combination of breakers to be in the heap. Difficult to evaluate whether itās worth a pip without playtesting.
Donāt forget that it hurts the stealth andy, valencia, and noise matchups to go down to 1 lotus. (Against regmax, itās probably easy enough to find a lockout windowā¦ unfortunatelyā¦)
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Iām messing around with Housekeeping right now, as many of your harder matchups play a lot of installs. If that proves ineffective at buying the time I need to get tempo over the runner, I might mess around with some more targeted hate-cards (-2 Housekeeping, +1 Blacklist, +1 Cyberdex Virus Suite)
I agree about cutting the Lotus Field, if I wanted to free up influence, I would swap a tollbooth for a wormhole.
Funny how at the beg. of netrunner it was the most scary piece of ice and now, you are right. It just isnt good enough. Shapers arent even phased by it. Itās really only good against bad players.
Thatās a good point. I guess it makes less sense in a glacier build, especiallyā¦thinking about it, mostly I found Archer to be good when I was rushing out agendas fast enough that the runner lost while trying to find a good answer (Sharpshooter + Recursion, Mimic + Datasuckers, whatever), whereas Curtain Wall is more consistently taxing. Plus the deck consistency issues.
Thatās a good point about how Hostiles affect agenda densityā¦I didnāt think of that, but itās definitely a downside in the glacier build. Thanks for your response!