Foodcoats

Milchtee · January 17, 2016, 3:39pm

What are people’s thoughts on 1x Corporate War?

gh0st_b1rd · January 17, 2016, 4:49pm

I actually. Had trouble scoring it a few times last night while playing some casual games with a friend. Its evem harder to score it when they drop a central pressure card that actually forces the corp to rez ice.

I’m cutting it for Efficiency Committee.

Although it sounds dumb on paper I do want to cut the 4/2 for 2 3/1s. Chronos Project can easily be a win condition by itself at times and Directo Haas’s Pet Project is just a fantastic card. Unfortunately deck space will always be an issue.

EmptyWorld · January 17, 2016, 5:25pm

It’s too conditional and I would rather go Efficiency Committee.You rarely scored that but it does something once you scored it.Gain 3 click for install/get some money when you are prepare for GFI IAA turn is good.

CJFM · January 17, 2016, 7:34pm

I think that last agenda question is an important one, though I’ve not ended up in one of those no money situations where I couldn’t score War, at least so far, but I can see EC being a good choice again.

Another decision is what to cut for Tollbooth, if you’re going to play it. I’m currently on 2x eli, 2x Architect, 2x Crisium, 3x Howard, 1x Caprice, 2x food. Architect has still been amazing. More people are ready to facecheck stuff since they assume fewer Architects.

StashAugustine · January 17, 2016, 7:40pm

I can’t bear to cut Architect just to rein in facechecking. And agenda woes are only going to be a big deal until Mumbad hits with Advanced Concept Hopper in Kala Ghoda and Corporate Sales Team in Business First- I don’t think either is NAPD-level but they seem to be better than CW and EC.

Giesch · January 18, 2016, 1:57am

I’ve been feeling like the second Caprice is still worth it. I mean, I’d rather still be able to have Tollbooth and Eli, but the deck already has good enough ice, IMO. It needs the multiplier more.

I’m on 2 Wall of Static and 2 Markus right now for sad Eli replacements. Markus will probably turn into Vikram, leaving a deck with mostly sentries and 2 barriers.

Zebadiah · January 19, 2016, 2:06pm

4 strength is not unusually susceptible to parasite (or doomblade ), it just feels like it because Gold is relatively expensive to rez.

evilgaz · January 19, 2016, 2:45pm

Kind of the point our kid. 8 cost for 4 Strength isn’t great. Admittedly Bonkers Bay provides more cash to make it more viable to rez, but it has a variable effect compared to a more reliable Assassin or Ichi 2.0. With Grimoire hanging round it feels super vulnerable. STR 5 isn’t massively different, but it doea make a difference in my experience!

ZiNOS · January 19, 2016, 2:58pm

Play Gold if you play Batty. Otherwise there are a lot better options.

With Batty you can rez Gold and fire Batty on approach, win the Psi game, trash their killer and then watch them faceplant on both routines of Next Gold.

Best case scenario but when it happens, is usually a game winner (may even result in a kill).

evilgaz · January 19, 2016, 3:20pm

If you’re playing NEXT ICE against a deck with Parasite recursion I reckon you’re struggling long before you can get a rezzed Gold + Batty fire. Surely your Bronze and Silvers have taken a hammering and you’ve not much in the way of subroutines on your Gold?

I played Foundry with NEXT at SC last year and found Gold worth no more than a 1-of, conversely I have also played a lot of Noise and love NEXT ICE from that point of view.

Giesch · January 19, 2016, 3:21pm

Yeah, without Batty, I’d rather just pay less money for ice that costs more money/cards to break (ichi 1, assassin).

x3r0h0ur · January 19, 2016, 4:10pm

You just have to run sufficient recursion. I stack 3 team sponsorships, and have used vitruvious counters for recurring it more. Interns and AM are always options too. Hell reclamation order works as well. There are means to dealing with those paying 1 inf for parasites.

Zebadiah · January 19, 2016, 4:14pm

What about a Custom Biotics version of Foodcoats for post-MWL? You lose Caprice, but get to keep your best ice and NAPDs. Here’s a sample list:
###[Custom Foodcoats][1] (49 cards)

[Custom Biotics: Engineered for Success][2]

Agenda (9)

3 [Accelerated Beta Test][3]
2 [Global Food Initiative][4] ••
3 [NAPD Contract][5]
1 [Project Vitruvius][6]

Asset (10)

3 [Adonis Campaign][7]
3 [Eve Campaign][8]
3 [Jackson Howard][9] •••
1 [Sealed Vault][10] •

Upgrade (7)

3 [Ash 2X3ZB9CY][11]
3 [Breaker Bay Grid][12]
1 [Cyberdex Virus Suite][13]

Operation (7)

2 [Archived Memories][14]
3 [Hedge Fund][15]
2 [Sweeps Week][16] ••••

Barrier (4)

3 [Eli 1.0][17]
1 [Wraparound][18] •

Code Gate (6)

2 [Enigma][19]
1 [Tollbooth][20] ••
3 [Turing][21]

Sentry (6)

3 [Architect][22]
2 [Ichi 1.0][23]
1 [Ichi 2.0][24]

x3r0h0ur · January 19, 2016, 4:48pm

You don’t really need Archived memories without caprice, that and ash are what you use them for. I mean, adonis is fine too, but I find just playing faster and more aggressively means you need less cash.

edit: I took a very quick swing at it:

http://netrunnerdb.com/en/deck/view/550309

Ajar · January 19, 2016, 5:20pm

I had the same idea and tried to make the deck, but it does need something to make up for the loss of Caprice, and probably additional economy to make up for not being EtF. I couldn’t quite get it all to fit in 49 cards.

ELP isn’t a bad pick with all of the bioroids, though. Maybe I’ll take another crack at it.

Zebadiah · January 19, 2016, 7:14pm

That’s a good point about Archived Memories. I like the DBS in your list too. However, I think it’s a huge mistake to cut an Eve, BBG, or econ in general. This version is more reliant on Ash than before and has less economy than ETF.

Podoboyz99 · January 19, 2016, 7:17pm

My knee jerk reaction is to say it need more Econ. You have to remember that you won’t be getting the ETF credit, so cutting a campaign seems wrong to me. However, this looks like a good way to go forward with foodcoats.

x3r0h0ur · January 19, 2016, 7:27pm

Sorry, I’ve always ran 2 eve, but I had other econ. I agree, after posting I decided you’d need a bit more econ. The counter point is that with DBS and the good ice (eli and architect) your opponent will be slower in attacking, so you have more time to benefit from your asset econ. I don’t think you’ll need credits+etf credits in addition. Maybe the ELPs become GLC/BLC/Restructure. 3x GLC actually goes a long way in HB.

@Ajar The DBS helps you get better quality draw, meaning you find the asset econ sooner, or kill runner econ, which slows them down, which gets you more time to get econ rolling. I actually considered 3 PAD campaigns over a few of the other slots.

Ajar · January 19, 2016, 9:41pm

I built it again and ended up with one free slot and 4 influence… but I can’t put Caprice in due to the Custom Biotics limitation.

gh0st_b1rd · January 19, 2016, 10:21pm

Custom Biotics could easily be an adaquate HB FA deck.