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New agenda compositions: Global Food Initiative, and Vanity Project


#42

Conclusion: TFP is OP :wink:


#43

@kevelairn found and fixed a bug in my script that caused TFP to require 1 extra access if it was the last agenda scored. I reran and the numbers didn’t change substantially. Here is the new version if anyone wants to pick up the fix.


#44

I think standard deviation captures the variance pretty well. Do you mean 85th and 15th quantiles? I’m not sure what the confidence interval means in this case. @kevelairn’s graphs of the CDF are informative. (And the current github version outputs the CDF too.)

I agree that average is not a great measurement in general. For what it’s worth I didn’t see a case where avgA < avgB but medianA > medianB, so the average is not behaving too badly here. I certainly don’t endorse reading too much into minor differences in average or median - as you said 20.1 vs 20.3 is probably less important than a card slot, or having to score a 6/4, etc. I get excited when it’s 17 vs 20 though.

Feel free to incorporate the code into your library.


#45

Awesome. On the subject of GitHub, here’s where I keep my R package for parsing the OCTGN data.

Latest results: loyalty to a single ID has zero effect on your skill rating over any time horizon. Play one deck, play lots of decks, the game gives zero fucks.


#46

CDFs are more than enough information ;-). It was good to see. You see the effect I was pointing out at low access numbers where 44GGG3 is higher than the rest, but it quickly drops off and is stronger around 13 accesses. It is a little swingy: You might lose quickly. If you don’t, you’re in a good spot.

Thanks again @jrp !


#47

Good to hear as I live Kit and CI :wink:


#48

Seems you dont feel safe enough to say that you would give your collection :wink:


#49

Pretty sure Disrupter will still be really awful


#50

Well, I didn’t say it would be good, just better. :slight_smile:


#51

Fast Track.

Which, sadly, works best With 4-advance agendas (FT, IA, then AAA next turn).


#52

Fair enough lol :stuck_out_tongue:


#53

Clearly, the best new agenda comp is:
59 card deck
x1 Government Takeover (6)
x3 Vanity Project (12)
x2 Global Food Initiative (6)

/s


#54

Deck title: Won’t Get Milled Again


#55

I think there might still be a bug. When I use that version of the script and change TFP_PERCENT from 1.0 to e.g. 0.5, ms throws an unsupported operand type exception.

<ipython-input-10-c06d245416e9> in ms(d)
      9     mean, variance = 0, 0
     10     for value, probability in d.iteritems():
---> 11         mean += probability * value
     12     for value, probability in d.iteritems():
     13         variance += probability * (value - mean)**2

TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for *: 'float' and 'NoneType'

And the way TFP_PERCENT is used, it does still look like it wants a float between 0.0 and 1.0:

    if v == "TFP":
        if random.random() < TFP_PERCENT:
            total += 3

I want to do a 44-card Medtech with 3x TFP and 3x GFI, like so:

NUM_AGENDA_POINTS = 6
DECK_SIZE = 44
AGENDAS = ["TFP", "TFP", "TFP", 2, 2, 2]
TFP_PERCENT = 0.4

#56

I ran that spread with the old code while I’m tinkering with the new version. It’s pretty brutal: 26.7 accesses to win, sd 9.4.


#57

Against Medtech?


#58

The other side of the argument: Have fun scoring 5/3s with Jinteki ice in medtech :wink: History does not shine favorably on that.


#59

Caprice and Batty in faction. :stuck_out_tongue:


#60

To be fair, we have also gotten lots of cards since medtech was released. So it might have become more feasible.


#61

Yeah, medtech glacier has been brewing for a long time. Ashigaru, Caprice, Excalibur, Batty, there’s a ton of things you can do to ensure you have a chance at scoring those big agendas. Shi.kyu and news team, 3 of each? With gfi, they’d have to score 2 tfp to win with only 2 scores, and negative agenda points is really good in medtech, and this way multiples do even more. If they score 2 shi.kyu that’s 2 tfp and a food right there.