Have we worked out how yet? lol. I was also wondering about that.
@alienpilgrimâs right, itâs Kitsune. Force them to access the Snare! youâve got in hand. Dang. Ah well.
With this pack looming, Iâd like to rekindle the discussion about Earthrise Hotel. Am I wrong about thinking itâs better than the three in-faction draw econ cards: Wyldeside, Mr. Li, and Quality Time?
Iâm actually not so interested in the Wyldeside comparisonâthatâs an easy choice to make based on deck style and personal preference (I agree with Peekay that Wyldeside is overpriced though).
The comparison to Quality Time is the one Iâm most interested in. Earthrise is actually a bigger draw, and it is easier to wield than QT. First turn Gamble,Earthrise, stuff, stuff will be amazing, and it will become Andromedaâs favorite tune for a long time to come. You canât do that with QT.
Earthrise in Criminal is a no brainer, and it can replace or coexist with Mr. Li, but it definitely replaces QT.
What about Earthrise in Shaper though? Iâm thinking it may replace Quality Time there too, or at least take precedence over it. Thoughts and analysis please.
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It was easily slotted into my Hayley deck, because I built it around the idea of triggering her ability off of program and resource installs. She also wants the clickless drippy drawing power, to boot. Outside of that niche deckbuilding quirk, though, I donât see Shapers necessarily taking it over QT, especially since PPVP Kate is still a thing. Crims definitely want to at least test it over QT to save influence, but I wouldnât write off Mr. Li too quickly. As for anarchs, I still have no clue what kinda stuff will be vogue post O&C.
The cardâs closest comparison is Quality Time I guess, but then you can make the easy comparison of âBurst Drawâ vs. âDrip Drawâ. (Doesnât boil down as easily as the credit analog would imply, though)
Keep in mind the matchup is 3 creds for 5 draw vs 4 for 6, (gained incrementally). Playtesting will give a better idea of relative worth I think, because card effects are a little harder to crunch in a vacuum, as opposed to the hard arithmetic behind credit effects.
vs Mr. Li -
I think that criminal decks (specifically, good-stuff Andy) that are justifiably running Mr. Li at the moment wonât want to just swap him out for Earthrise. Mr. Li is for decks that want long-term quality over quantity, plus the ability to really plow through your stack for a specific card. But I could definitely see criminal decks that donât want Mr. Li playing Earthrise, because itâs solid card draw.
vs Quality Time -
Again, depends on how QT was being used. Outside of Shaper I imagine Earthrise is better, especially due to not costing influence. In shaper I think it depends on whether the deck is running QT because it really needs cards RTFN or just because it needs more card draw period.
Sure, PPVP econ definitely makes QT better than Earthrise in those builds. And you also canât play Earthrise if youâve gone tag me of course: Advantage QT there.
However, the early combo of play event econ, install Earthrise offers a significant advantage over QT, which is difficult to play before your econ is set up and your handâs full of mid game stuff. I suppose Mr. Li is a little better here, though that son of a bitch can really put you to some hard decisions.
Quality Time nets you 1.66 cards per credit, Earthrise 1.5 cards, which is incremental and probably not game changing. The Earthrise tempo is better early game (the most crucial time) and about equal to QT in the early mid game. QT definitely gets better than Earthrise in the later mid game and end game though.
Itâs also worth noting that the tempo of Quality Time may be better for the Stimshop builds (like the top 16 Chaos Theory at Worldâs).
Iâm not 100% sure about it, as Iâm nowhere near as good of a pilot as Tomasz is, but I think you want âonâ turns and âoffâ turns, and the âoffâ turns want to be (draw card) -> workshop -> workshop -> workshop early game and 4x Opus late game.
Earthrise will be sweet as a choice over QT in PPvP Kate and similar though, as mentioned above, you canât really use QT then use Lucky Find (then expect to keep the rest of the cards), which is kind of solved by Earthrise.
This wouldnât work. The moment you use self destruct the run ends.
I think in this case, the Architect keeps the server alive (since it canât be trashed), no? So the run would continue, Architect could fire to re-install Self-Destruct. Of course, you need enough credits to beat the runner on a trace twice, they need to have no way to break an Architect, and you need some way to prevent them from jacking out after the Architect encounter.
Itâs not likely to come up a lot, but hell: even just Self-Destructing a server with an Architect sounds fun, minus the rest of the implausible setup.
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My reading of Self Destruct is that it doesnât add 1 to the trace strength itself. You trash it to fire it, so when youâre counting how many cards youâve trashed for the trace strength it isnât there any more.
Thoughts?
I believe thatâs correct.
Why do I always forget this about Architect? (Iâm really good at Netrunner)
Thanks!
Ekomind, Origami, Duggars, and Sage all in one cycle. Data Folding on the way. And probably more hand size synergies on the horizon, but at least we got that set. HE-3 Deposit works on practically nothing, especially new, and nothing much in the spoilers. Itâs a card clearly made for the future, so far ahead that itâs making me salty.
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HE-3 has potential with a Docklands deck. I and another guy in our group have been testing (or preparing to test) Blue Sun Docklands decks with it. Probably complete jank tho.
I think Iâd try Helium Deposit with IT Department before Iâd try it with Docklands Crackdown.
Although you get Mega Style Points for adding power counters to the Runnerâs Plascrete before you proceed to Scorch them out anyway. 
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Iâm just disappointed Bribery wonât work with Blackguard. 
Wasnât this already possible with Raymond Flint and rezzing an illicit ICE during the Archives run?
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