Aside from the default agenda package of 5 Pri Reqs, are there other ones that people use that work well?
I saw a combination with fragments mentioned above, but it seemed to have fewer agenda points in it than the default
1 x Eden, 1 x Hades, 1 x Utopia, 1 x PriReq, 1 x Rebranding Team = 14 AP, which is what you require
The suite is better than the PriReq suite, but it is fair imo as 5/3 are worse in draft so the power boost is good for the corps, I run this in my cube
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So, I havenāt purchased any netrunner products since the NBN/Neutral large expansion. Since Iām pretty much only using my cube these days, Iām a bit hesitant to spend $80+ catching up through the latest cycle, especially since it seems like the stimhack cubeās changes, vis a vis the mumbai cycle, were pretty light.
Would picking up maybe 1-2 corp and runner draft packs from hardwired get me cards to approximate the recent changes to the stimhack cube? Or were the cards that made their way into the cube mostly unique to the mumbai data pack releases?
Thanks!
Guys, need updates, 3 packs behind now 
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Yes, does someone want to transfer control to someone else? Any proposed changes for the new packs?
I will try and get an update in by end of day tomorrow, but I would also not mind transferring control to someone else that will be more active with updates.
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np ty
Does anyone have ideas for updates?
Hereās the proposed Fear the Masses
Runner
Adds - Bhagat- black file- ankusa- rigged results
Cuts- data leak reversal- scrubber- morning star- lemuria codecracker
CORP
ADDS- Magnet- Lateral Growth- Improved Protein Source- Ibrahim Salem
CUTS- Lotus Field- Beanstalk Royalties- Braintrust- Ronin
Ideas for 23 Seconds?
Iāll try to get the ball rolling.
23 Seconds
Corp
+Fairchild 1.0, -Pup
+Sherlock 2.0, -Vikram 1.0
+Chrysalis, -Neural Katana
+Hard-Hitting News, -SEA Source
Runner
+Deuces Wild, -Infiltration
+Injection Attack, -Surge
Blood Money
Corp
+Fairchild 2.0, -Viktor 1.0
+Special Report, -Disposable HQ
+Prisec, -Product Placement
Runner
+Credit Crash, -Demolition Run
+Paperclip, -Corroder
+Golden, -Ninja
+Temujin Contract, -Liberated Account
+Beth Kilrain-Chang, -Professional Contacts
Now tell me why itās terrible!
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I love Bioroids. Thatās why terrible
no u
Runner
Add - Bhagat, Black File, Ankusa, Rigged Results
Cut- Data LeakReversal, Scrubber, Morning Star, Lemuria Codecracker
Add- Deuces Wild, Injection Attack
Cut- Infiltration, Surge
Add- Credit Crash, Paperclip, Golden, Temujin Contract, Beth-Kilrain Chang
Cut- Demolition Run, Corroder, Ninja, Liberated Account, Professional Contacts
CORP
Add- Magnet, Lateral Growth, Improved Protein Source, Ibrahim Salem
Cut- Lotus Field, Beanstalk Royalties, Braintrust, Ronin
Add- Chrysalis, Hard-Hitting News
Cut- Neural Katana, SEA Source/Midseason Replacements
Add- Special Report, Prisec
Cut- Disposable HQ, Product Placement
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dont cut DLR or Infiltration or Proco
dont cut lotus field, beanstalk, ronin, product placement
i dont like those cuts.
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Replacements?
no idea. wasnt even looking at the cube. but i know what losing those cards would mean in draft. any card that kills an archetype is a bad cut, and generic strong cards usually bad cuts too.
DLR - archetype dead. and its hard to make it NPE in draft. keep it.
infiltration - newer player favor. draft plays traps. keep expose/bad econ if you can.
proco - high end econ card, keep. thats even a high priority pick
lotus field - 1 of 2 ice you know will never die to parasite. its also unyogable ETR. keep.
beanstalk - low end, but low requirement, economy. the most cuttable card you listed, but i wouldnt cut it personally. econ gets hard in econ. and cutting econ is the fastest way to shift the balance between corp and runner.
ronin - if ronin isnt in the pool, you can leave anything advanceable until game point. its too important to cut.
product placement - another āmost cutable cardā choice i guess, but its low power and high value. its also super annoying and in lower runner econ meta, its not always auto trash. very good card in draft format.
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We have too many archetypes in the cube as it is. In an eight-player cube, twelve archetypes is too many. (Thatās not the actual number, as Iām not referencing the current list, but itās an example.)
What youāre looking for in a cube is combo/synergy and individually powerful cards. I donāt agree with Black File add, I do agree with DLR/Morning Star/Codecracker cuts. I agree with Infiltration cut since the replacement is Deuces Wild. Injection Attack replaces Surge nicely as well. I donāt much like Credit Crash replacing Demo Run, otherwise all of those other replacements are Fine. (Iād actually prefer Paperclip replaced Morning Star, not Corroder. Iād like to have both in the cube I think.)
I pretty much donāt agree with any of the Corp cuts, except Neural Katana and Disposable HQ/Product Placement. Braintrust, Beanstalk, Ronin, SEA Source are all terribly important cards. The worst of those would be braintrust, so that one is possibly cuttable, but I donāt particularly like cutting 3/2ās from the cubeā¦
I can agree with most of these points. I was just trying to keep the ratios the same. Not cutting beanstalk, replacing one of the 3 beanstalks with lateral growth. Or maybe a green level.
I did corroder for paperclip so thereād still be two of the best fracter, one of each.
Maybe new construction for improved protein source?
What about midseason for hard hitting news?
I like product placement and proco, but i also like prisec and kilrain-chang.
I also assumed we were trying to move toward singleton as best as possible to create variety. Almost none of these are cuts, theyāre 2-of down to 1-of with a similar replacement.
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Ok, yeah, I misunderstood. I thought by ācutā you meant literally it was being cut.
I support going to Singleton format for Cube. (Although Iāve lately been wondering if it might be better to have a singleton draft but be able to put three copies of the card into your deckā¦ Less packs, perhaps, to balanceā¦)
Still trying to narrow this down.
RUNNER
Add - Bhagat, Ankusa, Rigged Results, Deuces Wild, Injection Attack, Paperclip, Golden, Temujin Contract, Beth-Kilrain Chang
Cut- Scrubber, Morning Star, Lemuria Codecracker, Infiltration, Surge, Corroder, Ninja, Liberated Account, Professional Contacts
CORP
Add - Lateral Growth, Ibrahim Salem, Chrysalis, Hard-Hitting News, Prisec
Cut - Beanstalk Royalties, Disposable HQ, Neural Katana, Midseason Replacements, Product Placement
Had a chat with @sonatinas about Cube over the weekend.
We agreed that Account Siphon should stay out forever, and that the current gold standard for Cube cards on the Runner side are Magnum Opus, Bhagat, Parasite, and Clone Chip. The ultimate place we want Cube to be in is a place where you can open a pack that contains those four cards, and six others, and have any of the ten choices be plausible/defensible. There should be a place (and we may not have the card pool for it yet, to be honest) where picking a card is a choice for playstyle/archetype, not just āpick the best card and move onā. (Which is why Account Siphon stays out.)
Iāve noticed that Icebreakers on the Runner side arenāt actually a high priority to pick up since you generally have a few options. On the other hand, Opus, Clone Chip, Parasite are all high priority because their effect is not available in the Cube otherwise. (Reliable Econ, Good Recursion, Dependable ICE Destruction)
We spoke about Archetypes in the Cubeā¦ For Runner side, thereās currently Good Stuff (or Reg-Ass if you prefer), Stealth, DLR/Keyhole, and Atman-Datasucker. On Corp, you have Rush, FA, Kill, and Glacier.
In general, Stimhack Cube needs to make a decision about Stealth. (And NEXT ICE) Because this archetype will not work in a Singleton format that Cube tends to imply. You must have 3x Cloak and 3x Ghost Runner for this archetype to be viable. (Iām actually tempted to pull the Lockpick/Dyson Fractal Generator/Silencer sets from the Cubeā¦ Because they make it harder for the Stealth archetype to work. Because other people will pick up Lockpick/Silencer because theyāre just generally useful, and that makes it harder for the Stealth player to actually get the Stealth breakers they need. Cloak is similar, but it takes up precious MU that only the Stealth player should be willing to do.)
Right now, I think the card pool canāt support a fully singleton Cube. My question is whether it ever will. Do we want to try and push the Cube to Singletons?
(Oh, and sonatinas and I agreed that we definitely would suck at maintaining the Cube. )
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I think singleton is still a good idea to move toward even though it will never get there. We can have variety in ice and econ cards even if weāre stuck with all the currently existing 3/2ās forever. Even with something like stealth that they still print cards for, Iām sure netrunner will never have the cardpool to drop any of the ghost runners.