Hard to disagree with the marginality of Apex, that’s for sure! There needs to be some form of Apex-playable draw/econ/supertrick to appear for it to finally evolve (heh) and include the tools both decks have. Most importantly, imo, draw. I will say that I actually have found 3x Sure Gamble, 3x Dirty Laundry, 2x Day Job, 2x Easy Mark, 2x Infiltration, and 3x (mostly useless) Wasteland to be suitable econ. I am never hurting for credits in my Apex build, for sure. What I’m missing right now is more draw, primarily, and some sort of solution to pesky 4+ sentries. Faerie + Sac Construct is in the back of my mind for a future test.
Right now I’ve been seeing a lot of wins (surprisingly high and fun to boot) against a meta mostly testing for worlds. That’s the thing - there’s lots of ICE that really hose EH, but they aren’t being played. And the ones that do - Enigma, Architect, Caduceus, Archer, Grim, Susan in popularity order, are only partial fuck-yous and Mimic can help a bit. If anything I’ve learned from playing these two Apex archetypes - is that Prey is very important.
Now I’m not saying use Prey on Archers and Orions, but Prey helps tremendously with the numero uno problemo - Enigma - and sometimes one Ichi 1.0 I manage to sniff out.
Thanks for your ouput @ijw473, my goal is take Apex and win a GNK. Not an astounding achievement, but a step in the right direction.
@phette23 It’s a decent possibility. It does suck that if you want to trash bookmark to get your card bank back, you lose the Bookmark and a potential facedown fodder. Comparing bookmark to brain cage, I might actually prefer the -1 ‘card’ tempo hit of Brain Cage over the 1 influence Bookmark, if I am trying to squeeze in a couple Quality Time because Brain Cage sticks around after Apocalypse (which I am considering in my Apex list still).
@king_mob Thanks for this. THANKS SO MUCH!! Tears are being shed at the prospect of playing against Resistor, Pachinko, Inazuma, and Snowflake. Absolutely hilarious, in a sad clown sort of way.
On a somewhat related note I think this ICE list reaffirms just how little I value e3 without ABR. The ICE that e3 truly helps with, without splashing ABR, is so low that I just can’t justify it. I am counting Enigma (can Prey same or next turn), Archer, and Heimdall 2.0. Worth noting you can go through an Archer with EH, losing your breaker in the process, but it is possible, and Heimdall 2.0 is clickable if you really need to get through for an access. Corps can control their Grail placement and reveals and remove ETRs. Outside of that, e3 adds marginal, luxury value to Hive, Spiderweb/Curtain Wall, and Ashigaru. But simple luxury only - Apex can get the cards he needs to break them once or twice, that’s for sure.