I was actually winning a good amount back then with a CI deck back then that was just Gifts, Restructures, taxing ICE, and Biotic Fast Advance. I think until BLC came out, CI was basically married to Gifts, which kept the Scorch plan from working terribly well. EffCom/Sfss was out but I wasn’t playing it.
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Restructure wasn’t even out for worlds 2013. CI was totally unplayable against parasite Andy for a long time, although you could win some fun games with shipment from kaguya/efficiency at smaller tournaments
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I know. :(. It’s never worth it unless you have a 2/1, a 3/*, and a bigger agenda on hand. Then you could double, see if they run, triple, see if they run, then… Cry.
Without being broad and powerful, this card sees no play, and has no effect on the meta. See also: chakana, the source (though ofc now chakana has that silly noise hivemind build 
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NEH is simply the strongest and most frustrating example, but the heart of the matter is that scoring out of hand is very, very hard to combat right now, assuming that you even know what’s going on. God forbid you’re a newer or more casual player and just lose without even knowing what happened.
imho, NBN has way, way too many great cards in faction to be without recourse here, and other FA archetypes already have other great lines of play (HB has ICE and $$, tennin has… jinteki cards). It’s just that NBN’s FA decks are so strong right now that there’s never been a reason to develop alternate lines of play.
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woo! i was playing astrobiotics before it was cool!
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Some of us were playing the original 7-point CI to top five finishes at Plugged-In events before Celebrity Gift, Blue Level Clearance, Restructure, Accelerated Diagnostics, and Power Shutdown were even in the card pool. 
If anyone needs a demonstration of how it worked, albeit an updated version months later with Restructure and Blue Level, this is still one of my favorite YouTube videos. Thanks Dan. 
I would’ve been playing CI at Worlds 2013 if Second Thoughts was available and legal. Unfortunately, it was available but not legal to play until the second chance tournament after Worlds.
Ah well, it was fun. An archaic archetype that Clot will render obsolete and probably unplayable.
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I’ve been thinking about this, is there not a window to play one of the Cyberdex cards in your Shutdown combo. You might need 1 more piece in hand at the start, but then you’re golden. Also you have power shutdown to kill clone chips and stuff. I think that you crazies with your 7 point shutdown combos will still be ok. If you can win in a world with Shards and Leela with that nonsense, I’m sure Clot won’t make it unplayable.
Also, I saw @mediohxcore win turn 3 or 4 on his stream. That’s even more BS than astrotraining. 
Yeah, I’m not 100% convinced that 7-Point Shutdown is completely dead. However, it’s way less reliable. The best I can come up with is making it an 8 card and 15 credit combo by having an extra Jackson Howard and a Cyberdex Trial in hand and using a Shipment From Mirrormorph instead of Interns off the first Accelerated Diagnostics. This will let you score through 1 Clot, but knowing Shaper, seeing multiple Clone Chips on the table won’t be out of the ordinary. That pretty much puts me as dead in the water as Noise with a Clone Chip. I don’t think it’s dead in the water, but it’s definitely struggling and felt something brush past its leg.
You need to kill at most 2. 1 to score your efficiency committee and 1 to score out. It might hurt enough that it’s not viable. If that’s the case it means all the shaper toys are being used for clotting. I guess it’s whether or not you can take advantage of that fact. You don’t have to ‘go off’ to win with the 7 point nonsense deck either. It’s just the best way. I don’t want to underestimate the power of Clot. But cards exist to counter it.
To be very clear, the first 7-point CI was not a Shutdown combo and was played in tournaments well before Power Shutdown existed in the card pool. For that variant at least, it’s not so easy to fit Cyberdex in. And yeah, Leela killed my deck long before Clot did. =)
I’ve said this elsewhere in the thread - clot at 2/2 is still a big hit to pure FA, but if you’re hybrid FA then it’s just a pain in the ass - which is exactly what the game need, in my opinion. FA for 2 or 4 points is alright, FA for 7 (whether in one turn or across several) is kinda bullshit.
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Not to derail too much but are you talking about the 2xBiotic Efficiency Committee -> 2x Shipment from SanSan 5/3 -> Biotic 3/2, verision of 7 point CI, or something else?
I’m hoping the cool CI decks do stick around, maybe tweaked a bit. Team Sponsorship looks like it shouldd help big scoring combos, but I’m not sure where it would fit. Also with clot it’s the first score thats the hard one.
[quote=“PeekaySK, post:199, topic:3072”]Except not really. If you read up on @Lluluien’s [original write-up][1], you’ll see that the threat of letting an Astro slip by comes from being able to never-advance a PSF (which turns on both Raven and Snares). The EoW is there mostly just to upgrade PSF lock from “annoyance” to “lethal”.
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Looking at that writeup, the first thing lluluien mentions is the threat of the astrotrain. It’s been mentioned here several times already - even if an NBN deck does something completely different (like Edge of World/PSF combos) it still has a huge benefit simply from that threat existing. If you see yellow on the other side of the table, you have to respect it. That has become much easier to account for.
Glacier for 7 points is kinda bullshit. I’d rather RP have to biotic or trick of light out their last agenda instead of relying on the nisei token.
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Fair. Honestly, I’m hoping that we get something that interferes with that.
7 points CI (non Shutdown) has no issues fitting in Cyberdex Virus Suit into the combo. The issue is Utopia Shard and Leela.
I think the right move would have been to print a card that hoses agenda counters. A current saying “hosted agenda counters cannot be spent” would be too weak but perhaps a program or resource that’s not too hard to get rid of (make it virtual, make people play foxfire). All that’s left now is the slim hope that clot is a hoax.
I also wish the general power level were a bit lower, since although the meta is healthy, the power spread in the card pool is not. But that can’t really be fixed without straight-up errata. I don’t want hate cards that are so powerful that they take away from the existence of several distinct decks that are dedicated to a particular archetype. Then you end up with horrible boring metas like MTG standard a few months ago (nothing but mono-green midrange mirrors), where there’s only one generic good-stuff deck.
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My go at that hate current was “As an additional cost to spend an agenda counter, the corp must forfeit the agenda hosting it.”
Better a land mine rather than a wall.