The viruses could be at the bottom of your deck and so on. The viruses don’t matter as much until you have aesops online anyway. I’d spend the first turns digging hard to get wyldside/chrono/aesops online, then go to work. Levy helps you be reckless in getting setup.
That’s a fair point, and I’m forgetting that you do get the credits from programmes getting trashed with inject.
It’s a slightly different, and more aggressive, approach but I may switch to it
I’ve won games off the power of Lamprey and Medium before with no Aesop!
The viruses are in the deck because they are good and worth playing. Most of them will outlive their usefulness and get sold to Aesop when that happens. Aesop is decidedly the cart that follows the horse.
Its difficult to accomplish anything without cash. Certainly you can “do stuff” before aesop, but aesop lets you do more stuff, more quickly, especially in conjunction with wyldcakes.
I certainly agree with the need to get Aesop as soon as possible. With regards to inject, do you feel it’s that much better than IHW?
faster and provides you with some measure of income, and puts the viruses in the heap where deja can access them? Sure. If you IHW the viruses, you just throw them away…while digging for 1 less card. For kill decks, get in HQ and imp that shit. Or money up while milling until they can’t MS/Sea you. Turntable might be better for swapping breaking news…es.
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Aesop certainly is important economy, but viruses are still important even before you dig out Aesop.
I certainly wouldn’t say the viruses don’t matter much until you have Aesop, they are valuable and effective even without the pawnshop.
Do you run Daily Casts? That might be how you’re balancing the econ. If you just dig hard for aesops, you can remove casts and have 3 whole slots for whatever you want, which IMO is inject + tech. It seems like you’re just adding draw to find aeops because you made aesops more necessary, but honestly you’re drawing lots of other things too, like deja, chronotype, wyldside, grimoire, feeder, etc.
Maybe its play style dependent, but I don’t think the top noise players have casts…I could be wrong though.
I dropped the cyberfeeder and the casts for 3 tech writers and been pretty happy. but I also run corroder and mimic to have something to use money for.
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I’ll start off by saying that I am by no means a top player.
Yes, I do run Daily Casts, but I don’t think cutting it to dig for Aesop’s is the right econ call. I’ve been stuck without Aesop’s (first one was 11 cards from the bottom of my stack) and needed Daily Casts to keep me in that game.
Also, cutting DC to add Inject so I don’t need DC seems a little circular to me. I have limited recursion, so losing programs to the inject isn’t particularly appealing to me either.
I see lots of lists that run 2x Faust and 2-3 Inject, but I just don’t think they are for me. If I wanted to run more recursion to rescue cards I need from the heap, I’d probably rather play MaxX.
I guess I may as well share my active list.
The description also shows a meteoric flash in my first 2 SCs, followed by a hard fall down to earth. I’m hoping to get a strong outing this weekend, but I need to get my runner head on straight first, as I don’t think my losses in recent weeks really do the deck justice.
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Yea I mean if its working for you, then it isn’t wrong. I just know that once you get better at managing your cash and running low on dollars, casts feels unecessary, or bad, when you have to click for credits just to play it. Having aesop’s holds you at the level you want to be at in noise, which is a virus or two, and run, with bursts up to take NAPDs and trash shit without Imp. My Noise game improved when I came off casts and forced myself to just play faster, find the right cards faster, and pressure more. Casts is the opposite of that to me. But again, if you’re winning, maybe its your style, so good on ya.
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I think this is right if you intend running once a turn, if you don’t Casts can provide a really great off-set to Wyldside when you don’t have Aesops yet and need to install stuff. But it is very much a play-style thing and on that I’m agreed, if it ain’t broke, and all that jazz. I think it is a case of Casts vs Cyberfeeders, and the decision you take is based on how you want to play. Run-happy Noises pick feeders.
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I am certainly willing to try new things, but I think there needs to be more econ than just Aesop and Cache in a deck. Looking at your list, you are proposing 2x Cyberfeeders, which is something I’ve seen proposed a lot; in fact:
I can certainly see this, the Cyberfeeder credits are good for the only two things that this deck spends credits on. I like to run often, and I believe my best games are when I run frequently to pressure the corp so that they do not feel safe in their remote, while continuing to mill them.
I will look at adjusting my deck to use Cyberfeeders and Inject to see if it works better for me.
I’m not really a fan of Cyberfeeders or Casts, as both add slow economy to a deck that already has a very strong late game. I’m on 2x Scheherezade, 2x Dirty Laundry at the moment, because both of them give you money upfront: I think that’s super-important for a deck where if you lose, it was usually because you got rushed down in the early game.
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Thats a good solution too. I’m actually on charizard, it plays with cyberfeeder to net you credits on in installs. I like feeder because for 1 off a peddler, it is insane, and low-start up. Dirty Laundry is alright, but short lived IMO. But low cost money is always good, so not bad.
I automatically translate “Noise with Cyberfeeder” to “Prepaid Noise”.
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Yeah it’s all meta-dependent. My play buddies all run Power Shutdown, so Charizard (lol) isn’t gonna work for my small meta. I really like that Noise is in that place that the core is good enough to make strong meta decisions like that without influencing how he plays so much.
Took most of your advice, and guess what, you know what you’re talking about 
Tweaked it a bit but it’s basically what you suggested, swapped grimoires for turntables and clots for hacktivist. With cvs being so prevalent I’m reluctant to play clot in a deck with no clone chips, and I’ve always found myself not really needing the 6th MU from grimoire. Also swapped one peddler for a second medium. Would take an awful lot of testing for me to really be confident in my choices though.
Oh and regarding inject, you’re dead right - getting set up asap trumps all other considerations!
Noise: Hacker Extraordinaire
Event (8)
3x Déjà Vu
2x Hacktivist Meeting
2x Inject
1x Levy AR Lab Access •••
Hardware (4)
2x Cyberfeeder
2x Turntable
Resource (10)
2x Adjusted Chronotype
3x Aesop’s Pawnshop ••••• •
2x Street Peddler
3x Wyldside
Icebreaker (4)
1x Corroder
2x Faust
1x Mimic
Program (19)
3x Cache •••
1x D4v1d
3x Datasucker
3x Imp
3x Lamprey
2x Medium
3x Parasite ☆☆☆
1x Scheherazade
12 influence spent (max 15-3☆=12)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Underway
Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.
This looks like a really strong, run happy, teched vs NBN deck. Should work great …
Let’s hope! I haven’t been able to test that much against NBN, but I know it’s my worst matchup, especially the asset spam variant with mumba, sponsorship etc.
And it turns out that running like a total lunatic with noise is a lot of fun!