Snatch and grab is a good call; So long as you can get a credit lead or make paying into the trace unattractive.
Probably because toybox is not a good card outside of draft. I wonder if it had been only 2 clicks with maybe a credit cost? Maybe would have been more valuable.
Iâm interested in this point. My feeling not having played against it is that RP suffers more than Midseason because Midseason is often an early/midgame threat anyway. By the late game, the runner is usually rich enough and close enough to winning that Midseason isnât going to fire. The Midseason is there to keep the aggression off early. How many copies does Shaper run? 2? I canât see any other faction running more than that.
RP, however, is going to suffer because nabbing 3 points out of RnD/HQ is a solid way to end the game vs them, especially on a Medium dig or suchlike. Frequently the issue is that centrals feel really fruitless on the last three turns of the game and the remote is locked. Now, central hail mary runs are much more likely to end in a win if youâve been able to steal basically any points earlier.
I think Butchershop might particularly have issues because their fall back plan if Midseason kill doesnât work is hampered by Clot, which is going right in the same decks that are running Film Critic. Yellow Flash is possible a more interesting interaction because it pushes the Midseason threat earlier in the game and could possibly outrace Film Critic? Iâm not sure, though.
I, personally, am going off Midseason and onto yellow rush when D&D arrives, but I think that NBN has counterplay available that RP doesnât.
I think vs any NBN deck, youâll get film critic down early. Iâd run 2-3 in shaper depending on how necessary it was for my plan. Leaning heavily towards 2. If NBN tries to just lay down a bunch of agendas to outrace your ability to click your agendas into your hand, I think you just cycle the agendas through the critic and donât worry about scoring them. In this way, it functions like imp. But even against other NBN decks, itâll be good just to keep your creds up early if you see an NAPD.
In criminal, I expect it to show up in logos/hostage decks as a 1-of. In an off campus deck, potentially as a 2-of.
Anarch probably doesnât run it because they already have imp.
Shaper, I would expect it from now on.
FC testing is in full effect here since gencon, and I think these assesments are spot on- itâs not a sky is falling situation, but it definitely feels strong against many of the current strongest decks. TFP has been the power-behind-the-throne of RP for a long time and this card stabs it right in the back. It doesnât nullify the deck at all, just gives you a plan B beyond âalways draw right and be rich and win every psi gameâ
So far it hasnât been shaking up my Yellow Flash game too much- instead of desperately racing for credits while I score agendas, theyâre desperately digging for FC, either way Iâm rushing agendas same as always. a one-of Snatch-n-grab helps out as well.
Also, presumably the agenda just goes to archives if you do trash film critic, so itâs not like its totally safe at that point as it is a known agenda in archives, which the corp has to have protection for, either via popping Jackson immediately (which can be problematic) or protecting with enough ICE to dissuade or stop the run completely, which thins out ICE density over the other, typically more valuable servers. In any event, it puts the corp into a reactive damage control mode which is never where they want to be.
edit: Also, wow, what a run-on sentence, I am so sorry to all my English teachers for breaking your heartsâŚ
The problem is that the âsingle hostâ and access trigger are in separate paragraphs. So the abilities arenât tied together and the second one will always trigger when you access something that triggers it. Thereâs no conditional on ânot hosting an agenda alreadyâ. So, when you host the second agenda, you have to trash the first by the constant rule.
Thanks. That ultimately feels right and strong. Iâve been having a lot of fun with Hayley Professor and Nasir with Film Critic. No longer do I have to run 3x Plascrete because Midseasons was a guaranteed thing due to low econ rigs.
There is no rule for allowing the trashing of the hosted card on Film Critic, so if an agenda is on there, there is no way to replace it short of spending the two clicks to empty it first.
This is incorrect. The hosting of the agenda on Film Critic is optional. So when you try to host it, the game state would stop you at an illegal action and you would be unable to use Film Criticâs optional ability, which means the âno longer being access and is uninstalledâ part never triggers.
Thatâs a very good argument for why it wouldnât work. Itâs kind of like over installing a console. May be correct. Weâll find out from a twitter ruling i suppose
iâve said in other threads, but a great way to shift around Film Critic (instead of finding a direct answer) is to run more currents.
another side effect of the agenda never being stolen (we see everyone focus on Punitive, Midseasons, ambush agendas, etc.) is that currents wonât get turned off from a FC score.
there are plenty of interesting corp currents actually. if youâre Argus, and they turn off your ability, you can at least run Housekeeping or something. everyone can run Lag Time at the very least, making runs much more taxing.
on the runner side of this, it helps keep things like New Angeles City Hall (that glowing review helped keep your reputation in tact i guess), and The Source in play longer. will it be worth playing them? not sure, but itâs an interesting prospect.
the great thing about The Source and Film Critic is how much FC complements TS, getting past the increased cost to steal and the downside of being trashed as soon as an agenda is stolen. i think iâve already decided to take Clot out of my Kate decks for a second Legwork (because i sorely missed it), but i think a swap for Clot for The Source in prepaid Kate might not be a completely terrible idea.
being trashed as soon as an agenda is stolen is still a huge draw back though, so it might end up still being a pretty terrible card after all is said and done. it would definitely need to revolve around a strategy of sniping agendas out of remotes. for Kate, it might just be a âwin moreâ card.
I like Source in Adam on account of Dr. Lovegood (though in all it is a bit contrived), but the poor sap might have trouble even fitting Critics in case the Dr is out.
Is there a chance that Ghost Branch might come back as a way to stick lots of tags on the runner in NBN or Weyland? We can always Back Channels to benefit from the bluff.
Can we combine this topic with the other Film Critic topic (@SneakySly / @mediohxcore)? I think Film Critic will be good, but I donât think it needs 2 topics in the same week
So looking at P.4 of the FAQ, it says that in order to host a card that card must meet the condition of the hosting card. I.e. you cant âhostâ a resource on PW and have it go to heap. In this way, it would be illegal to host a second card at all on Film Critic. The cardâs text disallows it.
Best argument I can make while on my phone on a noisy bus.
Is the condition on these cards âmust be of typeâ or is it âonly one of typeâ. Does this make sense? IF the ability counts whatâs on it already and uses that info to determine if it can host more, what youâre saying makes total sense. But, if itâs just a question of âis this of the proper type to be hostedâ then the constant rule would evaluate and cause a trash after you host on it.
Itâs not that youâre trashing a card because you want to, its because the card is hosting another card but now has to meet its constant rule of just a âsingleâ card of its valid type. This is a symantics question. Its very pedantic. I hate people like me posting this kind of stuff, but we donât know. Iâm not going to argue one way or the other. Occamâs razor says youâre most likely right⌠but this game⌠these rulesâŚ
I see what youâre saying here, and why that might be the case. Itâs a good argument and the only one I could feasibly see FFG taking. However, this seems to me a mistaking âcan host one agendaâ for something like âcan hold one agendaâ (which doesnât yet exist, but letâs go with it for argumentâs sake). If it said hold or something other than âhostâ you would be legally able to use the host ability because it would check how many it is âholdingâ only after it is hosted. But because âhostâ is a trigger condition that is governed by the restrictive phrase [edit: constant ability], this would be illegal.
Edit: Just to complement the above: the condition for hosting on Film Critic is a Constant Ability. Theyâre always on, always checking.
From Ancur:
âConstant abilities are abilities that are âalways onâ. They can have conditions that need to be met in order to cause certain effects, but constant abilities are not triggered and do not have costs.â
Itâs not confirmed. It was my understanding from⌠well logical inference that if you choose to host another Agenda on Film Critic, the other agenda would fall off, in the same way that a card hosted on Glenn Station - when Glenn Station is forfeited - would be sent to Archives.
However, the argument being made here is that there is no specific rule that says you are allowed to freely âun-hostâ cards. In the most well known situations, youâve been able to (hosting on Djinn for example) but this follows the over-writing program rule. Another, lesser used example, would be hosting connections on Off-Campus Apartment. Since the Runner is not allowed to freely trash resources, and there is no specific clause allowing for this on OCA, they could not âover-writeâ when isntalling a new resource.
Of course, Film Critic plays differently to both of these examples, since it is hosting a Corporation card, rather than a Runner card. There is no specific clause saying that the Runner may trash the hosted agenda when hosting a new agenda on Film Critic. However, Film Critic does say that âWhenever you access an agenda, you may host that agenda on Film Criticâ and this means we have two pieces of text that both modify the rules, that directly contradict one another: âFilm Critic may host a single agendaâ and âWhenever you access an agenda, you may host that agenda on Film Critic.â And we havenât been provided with a clarifying ruling, nor do the comprehensive rules specifically handle situations like this one.
Basically, we have to wait for the FAQ, or more likely a poorly distributed twitter ruling.