I’m sure people before thought merely being homosexual was harmful.
Bascially, it looks like people intend to use the Code of Conduct to exile those that don’t share their morality, and I think this is dangerous.
I think this poem is relevant: First they came ... - Wikipedia…
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The Code of Conduct is there to protect those who are marginalised in gaming communities. The entire conversation has since been derailed to “but what about teh mens, and the fake complaints that a clearly a real thing?”. This is, quite frankly, just pathetic.
First, misspelling to make people look stupid is completely pointless except perhaps for self-amusement, as it doesn’t make your argument any stronger and insulting people won’t help convince them.
Second, I’m not saying “Men have to get __”, so that’s not even relevant. I’m defending minorities, such as neo-nazis or tea-party members.
Third, as I’ve shown, many people would abuse the rules to hurt those who don’t agree with them, so that sort of complaint actually does exist.
I’m sure people thought that, too - the LGBT community has been persecuted throughout human history. Recognizing that, and working to explicitly prevent that in the Netrunner community, is a big part of what the CoC is about, right?
Such as neo-nazis and tea-party members, which I want the CoC to protect, and you don’t.
I’m sorry for not wanting to protect people who want to kill me.
If I could like this 50 times, I would. Honestly, I’m done arguing in this thread. The false equivalencies being thrown around at this point (homosexuals and neo-nazis? really?) are offensive in and of themselves.
I’m not saying they’re the same, seriously. At all. You can draw comparisons between corpses and live bodies without saying you have no preference between them.
Well then it bloody well shouldn’t be!
The Code of Conduct should be there to ensure that everyone feels welcome to come and have fun and pretend to be sadistic mega-corporations and nefarious web-hackers. Not men. Not women. Not the “marginalised”. Not those who share your political views. Not those who don’t.
Everyone.
(I don’t think fake complaints are really an issue. What is an issue is if the Code of Conduct itself it written in a way that poisons the welcoming and tolerant atmosphere to some degree (even while being net-positive), if it could easily be written in a way that avoids the negative bits.)
I would like people to remember that tone and civility matter, especially with people you fundamentally disagree with. This thread is getting increasingly political and I think has moved past the point of the original topic. I will likely close it soon.
Before replying anymore to this thread, please take a step back and ask yourself if you are contributing to the thread or lowering the quality of the discourse here.
Talking about nazi’s is a pretty heavy derailment. It’s a pretty common thing that happens when things like this come up, where women and other marginalized groups bring up real existing issues and real existing solutions to these problems and non-affected parties turn it into an abstract debate about hypothetical situatiOns that could arise. Until you show me similar situations where your issues have Arisen from similar CoC, I’m not nor should anyone be interested. Having and insufficient (non-existent) CoC for our community is causing problems now. The people who this lack is causing problems for are happy with it. You’re derailing the discussion with non-existent theoretical problems to a solution for real people.
I do not want people who want me killed, in real life, to be welcome. I do not want a code of conduct that welcomes people who want this. This is beyond political views.
I think you might have crossed threads with another post there, matey.
I was responding to your assertion that the Code of Conduct was “there to protect those who are marginalised in gaming communities.”
Sorry if I was supposed to link it to Nazis now. 
I agree that the needs you mentioned are much more pressing, and I hope everyone sees I’m not against the CoC.
Do you think the things I’m talking about (people being banned because of their beliefs or associations) would be bad?
-If you think it would be bad but currently is just a distraction because it’s unlikely, I’ll stop talking about it immediately.
-If you think it would be good, but that even if it was bad it would be a distraction, then by all means continue the on-topic conversation. Once that’s done or something actually happens, I’d like to bring this up again.
-If you think it would be obviously good, then this kind of needs to happen now before anyone is hurt.
First: Of course it’s important to be tolerant, but those problems won’t realistically ever happen.
Second: You shouldn’t tolerate bad people.
Third: You shouldn’t tolerate people who tolerate bad people.
I wonder where this is going…
Take a step back guys, breath, do something else. You’re ruining a great thread.
Understood, I was reading it in the context of the comments that Xerxes was making about nazis.
The larger point I’m making is that people who aren’t marginalised don’t need the CoC - it’s not for men (to take the example that started this thread), because men are not made uncomfortable in the way that Amber was, and the way that women in general often are, whilst they’re gaming. Men do not need protection in the same way.
It’s really all just a game balance issue. Male builds have been unfairly broken and OP for years now and absolutely need a good nerfing, at least in this format.
I apologise for valuing my personal safety, and the safety of many other gamers. I’m glad that you’re enjoying prancing about on what you perceive to be the moral high ground though.
Well we’ll have to disagree on that principle then.
I think the Code of Conduct should be be there to protect whoever needs it’s protection. As such, I don’t think you’ll be able to do a good of formulating the code it if you try to prejudge who that’s going to be, or not be.