RIP Patrice.
My understanding is that this document goes into effect when a judge is called, or if itâs the final rounds and the judge is just sitting there. Unless I missed something, itâs still your decision to call a judge or not. And the game loss bit only applies at regionals and up.
any rule that is impossible to enforce should not be a rule (intentional splitting)
I donât think thatâs true at all. In a 5 round tournament, you could very easily win the first two rounds then if you ID the next three you get a pretty impressive 7-3 record, which is almost always enough to get in a top 8 cut at around 30 players. We can both agree thatâs pretty darn stupid, you played less rounds of Netrunner than you didnât play, and you shouldnât be rewarded for that. This also means that a relatively unskilled player could get some lucky 2-0s rounds 1 and 2 and make the cut that way, since if they played the next few rounds theyâd probably lose a lot, which helps prevent the tournament from finding the best player there. The best way to truly find the best Netrunner at the tournament is to play more Netrunner. Avoiding playing means that both players involved make it harder for the system to find the best player (and can mean that players that should have made the cut donât).
This is a pretty hot topic, and itâs very hard to say whatâs right. Of course, as youâve pointed out, IDing is really hard to rule against, and it could be argued that having the rule rewards unscrupulous players for IDing. That being said, these players are going to have to agree to ID in some way or another, and having this rule in place means that a judge (or some other players) overhearing two players agree to ID is probably enough to prevent it. Iâve asked a friend whoâs a Magic judge about this, and itâs very different in Magic where IDing isnât winning half of your matches, itâs intentionally drawing, and you canât win 2 rounds then ID the next three in Magic and expect to make the cut.
Though itâs easy to argue that IDing is impossible to enforce, I can say with almost 100% certainty that the rule being there will have drastically reduced the amount of IDs at tournaments and therefore more games of Netrunner have been played and therefore tournament results are a bit more accurate. Taken to an extreme argument, murder is impossible to enforce as you could claim it was suicide, but in reality itâs not actually like this, as with Netrunner. People donât ID at Netrunner tournaments, and itâs because of this rule, so Iâd say itâs doing its job.
Anyway, I think these floor rules are very well thought out. Theyâre not perfect, and I think the language could use to be a bit more formal at times, but this is an extremely impressive first draft. Thereâre a lot of things to be clarified and improved (like the aforementioned problem if a spectator announces a card they see), but they will be clarified and improved. Iâve not seen anything that I completely hate and oppose, and thatâs very much a good thing.
Where do you think not discarding cards as the Corp would fall under these floor rules, especially if it isnât discovered until right before the runner is about to access cards from HQ?
I think someone would have a hard time proving Iâm throwing a game. Or winning one, for that matter.
Illegal game state of some sort
I think the key thing to pick up on for the concession of games being collusion, and therefore forbidden, is in the definition of collusion involving âtwo or moreâ people. If I concede my game in order to get to the next one in a match for time reasons, that canât be collusion as only a single party is involved, me. My concession in this instance isnât to attempt to benefit anyone else, but to afford myself more time in the next game. It is a self-centered act that only involves one party, not âtwo or more.â
Nerve Agent against CI came up between me and @Nordrunner once.
This was somewhat unclear to me. I think as shitty as the situation is, thereâs no way you can make a floor rule where you give someone in a game a game loss for something someone out of the game did without any collusion from them, otherwise, any asshat can decide the outcome of a game in either direction simply by acting like an asshat.
As much as I donât feel like digging this up again, I have to point out the fatal flaw in this logic. If MORE games are being played but not ALL of them are being played, that could be, and probably is, worse for tournament result âaccuracyâ because some people have the advantage of being willing to split while others donât. As long as the rule exists, this is going to be a major issue and this is the primary reason I think it shouldnât be a rule. At least if everyone who can split safely does so, you donât have to worry about some players playing to X prestige in round N to make the cut and others playing to X+2 prestige in round N+1.
Yeah; really glad we stopped working on ours, because they pretty much nailed it. FFG OP stepped their game up this time.
Well, Iâm totally going to get DQâd at worldâs. Whatâs the game coming to when I canât call my opponent a throbbing cockwomble for top decking an agenda? Itâs political correctness gone mad I tell you.
Iâm going to have to rely on colloquial British expressions to get me through the dayâŚ
I hope thereâs still an unwritten âdonât be an asshatâ rule that takes precedence over the floor rules.
I want some clarification about interruptions for paid abilities.
I think mandatory triggers, if missed, should be retroactively applied if itâs obvious, and has clearly not affected any subsequent decisions.
This document is good though. Iâm glad it exists. Makes me more confident about running events in future.
Iâll teach you some German expressions that no one will understand but will be quite effective in displaying your current state of mind.
Dumbkopf!
Timo and I played the double elims of a BABW qualifier in German for one round until my vocabulary deserted me. âI rez an Ichi, which subroutines are you breaking?â Wasnât covered in my Holiday German 10 week course (surprisingly).
Surely the Germans must have a word for âclick, click, fire the traceâ by now
In one word is tough. But âKlick, Klick, AufspĂźrenâ should cover it quite well.
How about French and Chinese cursing?
It doesnât look like thereâs proper rules for handling Clot? Except this: âPlayers cannot cause an opponent to miss a trigger he or she controls by playing too quickly.â
Does that mean that Clot timing is entirely the responsibility of the Corp?
Yes. The same is true of the shards.
So really, the obnoxious gameplay that this demands is asking during every paid ability window: âAny response?â. Every single time. Iâm not really happy about this.
Iâll watch Firefly to get some Mandarin swearing, can you help with Cantonese? Not sure where youâre linguistic background lies.