This is where I’ve arrived at with this Glacier variant. So stronk, unless all your agendas come up in the first four turns :). It’s got some tricky late-game closers against fully-rigged runners around recurring biotic labor. I’d like to find room for another Biotic, if possible.
I would definitely not leave home without my second tollbooth, it’s really good when you have to tax RND or a scoring remote when your fast advance plan is not working, one of the few ice that can tax Kate too.
I didn’t even consider stealth andy because I faced it once ever. It turns out I played against a stealth silouhette twice (the runner up) which indeed gave me a lot of trouble. It went 1-1 but it seems like a bad matchup. I don’t know if that would justify removing a sentry because Ichi rules vs kate and sherlock rules vs Anarch
Yes, he had the second matchup (in Top 8) in the bag. He just needed to siphon lock you and win in next few turns. He got tunnel visioned on RnD though and lost. Inexperience
On topic:
I don’t really like excalibur in HB, or anyway for that matter. The problme I have with 8 agenda HB is that my HQ piles up with 3 pointers before I’m ready to score more often than not(not finding caprise and/or Ash
That’s why you don’t run 8 agendas in HB. 9 or 11, and even with 9, you want DBS compressing your draws. I tried doing deadcoats style 8 agendas with caprice instead of dbs. I don’t recommend it at all. I always had a window, but no caprice or agenda to make use of it.
That really hasn’t been my experience with the build I posted—the games I’ve lost (4 so far) have mostly been due to flood w/no jackson (3 times), which more agendas would have exacerbated, and once to a couple Maker’s Eye snipes. I haven’t had trouble finding windows for the 5/3, but I usually try to score that first.
If you can’t econ-bully your way to victory the key is really timing shenanigans with biotic, which is why I kinda want to fit another in. The number of games I’ve pulled out of the fire (of well-econ’d, fully-breakered runner) with that one damn biotic is pretty huge. I’ve double-biotic’d a win with it twice, hid the game-winning agenda in archives for a turn of intense HQ pressure twice, top-decked the BS win, etc.
I can’t recommend deadcoats; I’ve never seen or gotten that to work.
DBS seems pretty great for a more conventional midrange HBFA look, which I’m dangerously close to calling “Polish HB”, simply because I keep seeing really solid lists along those lines from there and it seems to take down most of their tournaments :).
Deadcoats was a solid alternative for a time (Tier 1.5 maybe?), but I’ve found it to be unreliable since the release of Order and Chaos and the rise of Butchershop and Weyland kill decks drove runners to pack meat damage protection. But it was great when people were skipping plascrete to tech vs. fastrobiotics.
pretty sure polish HB is pretty straight forward high number of ice, breaker bay + money assets + ash + caprice, and agendas…not sure how different from deadcoats that really is. I am going to practice a list based on those polish decks for Australian nationals, but may go back to butchershop or nearpad or NEH FA in time for the actual event in August
This thread is missing batty talk. Been testing a next / batty HB never advance… We are on jank season at my store, so hard to tell if it’s real yet, but early results are promising. Anyone else testing doc brown?
I’ve been wanting to test out a swap of two Caprice for two Batty, to free up a few points of influence. Once there’s more than two face-down cards in a reasonably taxing remote, most players I’ve played against don’t run the server. If that’s the case, what’s the functional difference between a face-down Batty and a face-down Caprice? Being able to take an extra Tollbooth would be handy.
Interested to hear other’s experiences/thoughts - is Batty best played in a program trashing role? Sticking brain damage? ETR when you just need to keep them out once to push through the agenda?
I am looking to play one caprice and one batty. I mean the batty is more or less a caprice or an ash or can outright kill with the help of next gold. And you can rez it on a different server from caprice without having to trash her, which is also nice. The extra point of influence will let me play 1 crisium (I feel like early siphons/legworks or late game maker’s eyes are some of the more common ways for this deck to lose) to go with the two tollbooths I already have. Keen to see how consistent the deck is now
Jank tested with 3-Batty, 3-Gold, 2-AM (for full affect) in BBG Upgrades against a pretty good player. When they trash a Batty and you AM it back on to an R&D tower with Gold at the top, they start running HQ a lot more. Definitely seemed to warrant more testing.
This list from @bblum has been testing very well for me. We’re going on a Recruiting Trip boys! My only contribution so far is the deck name but I’m thinking about squeezing one Biotic to help vs Valencia blackmail spam.
Batty has landed multiple “Trash 3 programs” off NEXT Gold which is deeply satisfying. The deck has serious potential to tilt the opponent - even if they’re in a somewhat recoverable position after that happens they’re so pissed off at how unfair Batty is they just don’t want to play Netrunner anymore.
I use it on whatever server I think is going to be the most annoying for the runner, really. RnD/Scoring Remote are most common, but there are some games (Vamp/Siphon Recurrance) where it’s great on HQ, and some (Sec Testing) where it does work as the sole Archives ICE.
I think I agree that a Viper would be the best cut, though I don’t mind it as a card. Better than Enigma in the current Yoggie-heavy meta!
Definitely seems game-ending vs. criminals especially. If any deck was going to maximize the effect of NEXT Gold, this would seem to be it!
Definitely seemed to warrant more testing.