I hope you’re kidding, the only targets are Jackson and Cyberdex. I think what you mean is that the Ice feast deck craps on SYNC.
I hope you’re kidding, SYNC is and ID and doesn’t even necessarily have ICE in the deck.
But seriously. I’m referencing the ridiculous whizzard deck that’s exploded this week, of course.
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Markus is special because very few barriers punish facechecking. That doesn’t necessarily mean he is or has to be good enough to play.
Consoles are just cards, not every deck needs one. As has been said, are people really wanting to play the other criminal consoles but can’t? Or is it more that people wouldn’t normally play any console in crim except that there’s one which is always good enough to play?
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I hate the argument that “people will always want the best cards to be on the MWL, so we shouldn’t put Faust on it”. It really is a shame that Faust came to such dominating prominence right after the MWL was released, if only for the fact that people try to make this argument. Just because the MWL was only recently released doesn’t mean that Faust is any less dominant or any less deserving of being on it.
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Been my experience too. Although I run almost exclusively bioroids in my foodcoats build + architect and IQ. It makes a pretty decent second piece of ice on a server just to tax the runner. When going two deep, it will cost either extra clicks or credits to get through.
[quote=“StashAugustine, post:62, topic:6866, full:true”]
Early game: it’s 1 more for an Enigma (that you can click through)[/quote]
Is it? This card always costs the runner something, unlike enigma which can be yogged through. You also can’t run last click through this and ignore soft tax of enigma. Also +1 strength makes it slightly more resistant to parasucker.
It has two subs. This means it requires an extra card to faust through or a click over bastion. Thus being more taxing than a simple bastion in the current faust hivemind meta.
Again, slightly more taxing so long as they have something to lose, which a runner will.
We aren’t in the era of Lady being as ubiquitous anymore. Its still common, but it means Shapers are giving something up.
I will only consider Markus as “bad” in a meta dominated by Lady. If the meta is truly as Faust heavy as we all believe, anything with more than 1 sub becomes more valuable.
Regarding Crim splashing D4v1d, they can always use Uninstall. @nordrunner built that and he beat me with it, fwiw.
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I’m curious about this SC winning Corp deck. Link pls?
Didn’t win, missed cut by one point. That said, a version of the deck did win a previous SC, so I guess that is actually true.
Also, I should say, it’s not some miracle counter or anything. The games were all very competitive, and at least one of those was on the back of TFP psi games.
The problem I had with Markus when I was playing it was that the facecheck often did nothing. Now with PPVP gone, what is your experience with the return to hand sub? How often does it hit stuff that hurts, how often does it hit Daily Casts or Liberated? Honest question, I’m not a fan of Markus but I’m interested in other people’s experiences.
Markus is trash, not return to hand.
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The worst article I’ve ever read on Stimhack. Really? Just a bunch of “this card should be added to the MWL” instead of considerations about how the MWL really impacted the Meta? geez. At least change the highly misleading tittle to: “Cards I think should be added to the MWL!”
You are successfully shaping people minds into thinking Faust is the worst card in Netrunner right now when Meat, Brain and Net damage have been a thing since the core set.
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Playing the game right now is what makes people think this, not some lukewarm article.
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Sorry. You = Stimhack community. This article and the thread about the community reaction to Faust and if it should be added to the MWL. It’s becoming toxic.
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I’m baffled at this article. Some of it is fine, but large swaths of it just strike me as outrageously wrong and coming from the perspective of someone with a very specific anti-Noise agenda.
“In addition, Faust distorts corp deckbuilding in a way that other icebreakers don’t. The prevalance of Noise backed with Faust encourages corps to play cards such as Swordsman, Wraparound, and Cyberdex Virus Suite (in non-Fast Advance decks), which are generally weak or useless against other runner decks. While corp decks should be responsive to the metagame, it is a problem when decks need to play hate cards to handle an archetype and still generally can’t manage a better than 50/50 record against the archetype.”
If playing those hate cards isn’t generating an advantage then maybe that’s the wrong deckbuilding approach to answer that problem. Perhaps instead looking at cards that attack the problem differently, like say Komainu, Hive, TL;DR, Spiderweb, might be worth your time.
“Further, Noise is a developmentally problematic identity. Any virus that’s viable in competitive play
***threatens to make the Noise deck even more powerful. Since Noise stays in the game under the current rotation policy, that means that the best Noise deck should be paid attention to and addressed with the MWL accordingly. As the card that most significantly enables the deck is Wyldside, it should be looked at carefully. It is possible that Faust or Wyldside alone would be a sufficient MWL addition; I’m leaning towards Faust right now because it edges out other cards in a way consistent with the other cards of the MWL.***”
This entire paragraph is just wrong. Viable competitive viruses are not threatening to make Noise more powerful. Cheap viruses threaten to make Noise more powerful. Cheap viruses with good effects factually make Noise more powerful. Viable competitive viruses can absolutely be printed with no effect on Noise, just make them cost more than 1-2. Wyldside is not the card that most significantly enables Noise. If that were true then Noise would never have suffered a down cycle while Criminals and Shapers ran wild. You could argue that chronotype is that card, but what about Aesop’s? And frankly, there are alternatives to all of these cards that I played with reasonable success. Earthrise, Sahasrara, and other alternate draw and money cards are viable in Noise.
“***The best R&D multiaccess in the game should not be an Anarch card.***”
Says who? Medium operates precisely the same way Nerve Agent does, or are you asserting that cards requiring multiple runs to build up with no limit to their top end shouldn’t exist? In which case where’s the Pheromones hate? And who says Medium is the best R&D multiaccess card in the game anyway? I’m far more frightened of digging with Medium against Snare threats than I am Indexing, or using RDI’s or Maker’s Eye.
“***Medium allows for a particularly strong R&D lock in a way that other cards can’t approximate outside of two or three R&D Interfaces – if the corp’s R&D ice is trivialized or destroyed (which is something exclusive to the Anarch set of effets), the runner can access more cards in R&D than a corp can ever hope to draw, and a purge doesn’t help because that allows the runner to continue running and building up counters.***”
Yes, because this has been a problem for the entire life cycle of the game… Oh wait, it has just been a problem since silverware was printed… oh… no? This hasn’t been a game warping problem because indiscriminately medium digging for the win is dangerous enough due to cards like snare? Right.
“I believe that it makes sense to put Medium on the MWL so that other R&D multiaccess tools can be printed”
Because no R&D multiaccess tools have been printed or used pervasively since Medium… right?
Seriously, I barely play Netrunner anymore and even if the problems that are claimed here do exist, this is a poorly argued case against them.
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One of the things that happens to a game once it gets a ban/restricted list is what should be on it becomes a relevent point of discussiOn. You don’t have to take part, but it is something people are interested in talking about. Talking about how to counter act the Faust meta is also worth discussing. But the two aren’t exclusive (large amounts of chatter is both recognizing that Faust is the dominant force in the current meta, and trying to figure out how to get a reasonable shot against various decks running it).
The stop complaining complaining is just as annoying as the Faust complaining.
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I’m absolutely flabbergasted by this. Are you serious?
[quote=“peter_charnley, post:94, topic:6866”]
Seriously, I barely play Netrunner anymore
Okay, hadn’t gotten to this part.
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I mostly agree with you, specially on recognizing potential problems and finding ways to deckbuild and play against them. It’s normal that people talk about Faust as it’s a card that people have been playing a lot because of it’s ease to use, etc. However, just saying to add it to the list because it’s overpowered or broken, doesn’t add anything to the discussion. The list has been out for 13 days. Even if you count the whole month of January as play testing, it’s still just one month and a half since the announcement of the mwl. People are recognizing the problem so play against it. Go to Jinteki, go to HB: CD, put cerebral in your decks, play scorched earth to gain tempo and not to just win. Then the runners may stop playing faust and it’l even out. But don’t just say to add it to the list… I rather speculate about solutions. Just my 2 cents.
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Actually they’re willing to errata cards that were printed with the wrong text. Which is, you know, what ‘errata’ is…
(Damon said that he was surprised that it wasn’t unique when he saw the card printed, as in testing it had always been unique…)
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The ubiquitous presence of Faust and the necessity to include multiple means to deal with it in the great majority of corp decks is a good point of evidence that it needs fixing. When I am deckbuilding, any kind of corp deck, I should not be concerned so much about a card that my general strategy becomes secondary. And its so obvious, that it doesnt need much time for everyone to notice. It suffers from the “Kate syndrome”, when playing with it is allways better than not doing so.
Aside from pure AI hate, I don’t think needing to slot damage and recursion-stopping are detrimental to a fundamental corp game. The one thing that was brought up in another thread that I think plays a larger role is the “need” for corps to play a fast game, which makes Faust’s natural enemy, attrition decks, very sparse.
TL;DR Faust is a really good meta call right now with people seemingly not willing to counter-meta (for some legitimate and non-legitimate reasons).
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