I think I may print that on a playmat.
Seriously, if your meta is filled with faust anarch play around it. Play with cerebral imaging, THE biggest counter to faust and that has ton of potential. Right now, I’m trying out the xanatos gambit list and it’s been great against faust.
I and many others hated katman at it’s peak. The designers slowly, but assuredly did, release sufficient hate until it was relegated to a marginal deck, eventually a not great deck. I maintain faith that the same will happen to faust. I do also think there is some merit to the arguement that people simply aren’t building enough around it.
Where is genetics pavilion? This card is a good slot vs wyldcakes, especially if you can recur it pretty easily. There are quite a few cards starting to see play again (komainu) because of the MWL and faust’s ubiquity. I think the meta is slower to adapt than everyone is giving it credit for. Usually though, runner gains the advantage first, then corps have to answer (makes sense). Give it time and cards and I’m sure things will be set right.
On the flip side, the trade off with ice that is good vs Faust(antiAI), is that it suck vs normal breakers. I’ll be over here with Hayley and some real breakers making the corps’ lives even worse lol.
You leave Katman alone. Katman had a ridiculously expensive setup,required multiple Atmans at different strengths, and significant Datasucker support. It is far, far, far from install and start pitching cards with Faust, and was far less good at dealing with gearchecks.
I think @x3r0h0ur’s point is that Katman was by for the best deck at its time, and that the designers slowly released hate cards to the point where there is one Atman in every shaper deck, but it’s not frustratingly powerful, like it was just after C&C.
I think we will see a similar thing happen with Faust, with the release of the Jinteki farming ID (I’m not even going to try and spell it) and other support cards such as Hervester (which may suck, jury’s out on that one) and other things that make the runner burn through thier deck faster.
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PE Harvester and 3x Chronos Project with 24/7 News Cycle. then you eventually score out behind an Archer. ggnerds
Harvester into Psychic Field is hilarious
This has to be a must ability, tho
On the episode of Run Last Click when Dave Hoyland was on, he explicitly predicted this. He basically said the meta will narrow as people find what works post mwl. He also said as people continue to play with it we will eventually diversify again. I agree on both counts. Deep breaths people… It’s gonna be alright.
I miss Crypsis lol. In my heart I know he is just nowhere near the same class as Faust, but man, we had some good times together. Also, Anarchs have struggled for ages and we finally have a board state that is without doubt the best in the game. All I can really say is suck it. Wyldcakes is what makes it let’s be fair. And, it won’t last forever. I don’t remember similar threads bemoaning 9 cred Lucky Finds. The great Eve Online saying ‘Can I haz ur stuff’ seems totally applicable here.
There’s a number of ways to counter Faust, and many decks have an easy time disabling his ability to draw lots of cards and use them to run every turn. It’s just that none of them are really all that fun to play, or you’re playing brain damage, and you can’t get lucky that the runner doesn’t find Faust early and face checks into a heimdall 2.0 on click 3 or 4
Brainstorm + Corporate Troubleshooter = new anti-Faust meta.
He still has D4V1D to survive.
Which is why you add the Twins.
I don’t really buy the MWL = Faust better argument. I’d need to see some more convincing argument about cause and effect. There are more bunny rabbits in America than the UK, but I’m not sure they’re the cause of more gun crime in the Colonies.
I played in two SCs last weekend, but they were the first post-MWL, we’ve not really for much in the way of data from “big” events to see how things are going to shake out.
I reckon you could argue there’s less PPD Kate now, and people have migrated to Anarch (which naturally means more Faust as it’s an in-faction breaker for them), which seems reasonable - but it’s early days.
A lot of decks you generally have to build thinking about strong Kate or Anarch and plan for contingencies against both. If the trend tends the way it’s been going then the future is Orange. In this environment players will worry less about the Kate match up and more about what to do versus Anarch. I’ve already witnessed (admittedly just within my own experience) a move away from Lady towards back-up Inti or Corroder. Decent barriers could start to drift into play (as one example), and I successfully used Spiderweb to great effect at Nordic Nationals - a card I’d splashed into HB ETF specifically to tax Faust. At the time conventional wisdom was that Spiderweb would simply be Parasited - but that didn’t turn out to be the case a lot of the time (especially in decks like Leela Faust).
In short, I think it’s far too soon to compare stats of competitive decks post and past MWL due to the amount of information we have about how the post-MWL meta will shake out. RP has apparently been going great guns in America, but over here it’s getting a kicking. It’s too early to say if that deck is “back”.
I think there are decent answers to taxing Faust decks, whether those decks are viable in meta in general remains to be seen.
Sadly, the prevalence of Faust means rush decks aren’t particularly viable - which is the one thing people were hoping Weyland might still be half-decent at. What we really need is a good Weyland anti-Faust piece of ICE right? RIGHT? 
Like err, syphons ?
You’re totally right there. If you’re concerned about inf rig costs, I think you could try to import Faust in crim decks, with something like 2 Larla / Triple drug dealer, 3xDS and 3xFaust and this would still work, somehow.
Should be ok with Crescentuses / HQ-I / Sneakdoors and a bunch of Faeries.
In Anarch it’s done with success and it’s proven viable in Shaper.
Now MWLing it would acheive to make it viable only in Shaper / Anarch, so it’s not a solution.
The only viable solution is to play hate cards, and each faction have a lot of them.
And that is only the one I’m thinking of.
I mean, omg, 14++ cards against it and ppl don’t yet have a clue.
Just because people don’t want to metashift doesn’t mean the card is OP. It mean people have a very very wrong idea of what is the current meta. Or make not much tests right now and are waiting to netdeck.
When people start to use NEH, the meta shifted so runner accelerated their early game, why people just became lazy now ?
MWL maybe. There is too much changes in this moment, and netdeckers can’t think alone.
Do you honestly think everyone on here has somehow missed all these commonly played cards, that somehow still don’t do very much vs the Faust decks?
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Do you honestly think everyone on here has somehow missed all these commonly played cards, that somehow still don’t do very much vs the Faust decks?
[/quote]Yes, because I stoped playing those very decks 6 monthes ago because of Blacklist / Chronos meta.
Yes, definitly, people are not trying hard enough, are not playing the deck and actually have very little exp about countering / playing those.
There’s like 4/5 silver bullets against those decks and like 10++ commonly played “bronze bullets” against this, there is either a problem of piloting or a problem of obvious netbuilding skill.
I lost games with Cake Maxx to corp decks that were taking that threat seriously. And have something like > 60% against Faust decks with a simple, non-op, cute, BattyGrail Nisei ID (<35% vs CC though).
You’re not declaring war against it hard enough. This is not by sticking to 2015 preMWL plans that you will find a solution, you have to invent it or die.
Punitive and Scorch out of Weyland have not been worth the deck slots since IHW was printed.
Yeah, because actually runners running Faust, being at 5 cards + IHW after a steal is a very common situation.
Also, why do you think I put cards for each faction, do you really used the one I list before a stupid oof SE ? It’s only the problem of the corp if NBN-any-shop get steamrolled by Anarch Faust, you know. There is another deck where your deck is crap. Not the runner’s problem, yours only.
80+% of my Cake loss vs Weyland are due to meat damage provided by SEASESE or Punitives. And I may be the only guy in the world to meta this with Utopia that limit the loses (I don’t beleive ppl claiming winrates > 50% vs adapted decks).
I think should people learn how to loose with those decks, to find out what works.
In Weyland Punitives after running with Faust works actually 2/3 of the times. SeaSESE works too, because those decks are usually poor, relying on attrition rather than money.
If your stuff is importing 3 cards that have to be played together for 12 inf, well, a deckbuild concept is agility and I will never help all of you great gods of deckbuilding.
Play those Faust deck, learn where they are very bad and remember that the losses makes lot more xp than the wins (“yawn another deck that don’t care Faust”).
Got a lot of xp 
It’s really like Syphon in the golden age. Ppl not playing those believed those were autowins until they tried and say “I may have to learn”.
Really… Lazyness here makes me sad, I was thinking SH was the elite. 
“Out of Weyland” means playing it in faction. And yes, it sucks in faction. You might get some lucky wins if someone steals your Govt Takeover and you happen to have a Punitive in hand, but mostly it doesn’t happen. All of these “This works against Faust” ideas are basically “this works against players who are very careless”. People don’t just suddenly forget how to play against meat damage. Also, Plascrete is still a card.
Edit: Also the idea that Weyland is rich enough to pull off Sea Source these days is ridiculous. The only way to make enough money for that is OAI/CW T1 and pray that the runner doesn’t have D4vid and doesn’t draw into it.
Really ? BS players of T1OAI vs Anarchs are noobs.
Ice central, Ice same central, OAI innermost, or you’re cheap.
YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ELITE DAMN IT. Not me.