Faust and B&E rigs are the other candidates.
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Ken Tenma with Terminals also.
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As mendax said, seems nice in stealth. Not like the stealth deck is poor generally, and I can see enough opportunities to use itā¦just donāt know exactly what to cut for itā¦
I second Ken + Terminals (or voicepads).
Getting +1 payout base for it seems very good, stacked on top of everything else.
And he actually has the influence to run some non traditional breaker packages!
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We can always just DDOS our way in!
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Drug Dealer is somehow unstable to me,and Leela really hates unstable.Right now I am still convinced that 2 Visage and 1 click for 1 draw is what we called āLeela Draw Engineā.If Drug Dealer turns out to be fine Iāll give it a try,hope you play both version then give some feedback.
And itās not the first time that people see me using Peacock and just say āPoor Leelaā.Ugh.
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Peacock is like Shrike. it aināt the most efficient, but it gets the job done.
Strange to describe a peacock this way.
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I play almost exclusively Gabe and go with 3 x REX for my code gate issues and rarely suffer for it. Just curious why REX seems so out of favour?
Obvs crims suffer for recursion which hurts REX but Iāve been using 2/3 scavenge even before MWL and found it worked rather well as it is:
i) cheap
ii) allows for reloading of Rex
iii) allows you to retarget femme (which is awesome)
iv) means i can play 2xbreach and 1xcorroder and swap out if/when needed
v) trade out of my sneakdoor once corp sticks 2 ice on archives - (often trading into Femme)
ā¦or maybe iām just a deluded REX fanboy 
(such a fanboy i always thought the crim disposable decoder was called cerberus not Rex. apologies)
ps and i basically click for cards. just the way it is
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I think if youāre spending influence on making your decoder work, you might as well slot Zu.13. But Iāve mostly justified Peacock with the notion that I need a way into the remote, so Rex does qualify for that. I just find a lot of my opponents exploiting Rexās limitations in the same manner they exploit Passport.
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Peacock is awful. @cerberus has presented pretty strong arguments that Zu.13 is about as awful. For most of the common ice, Zu.13 is the same cost or maybe 1 credit cheaper. Itās not played in faction, and I donāt think itās worth 2 influence to āupgradeā Peacock (or Cerberus Rex, which has its own problems).
Honestly, the time for criminal ārun a million timesā has passed, and people need to get over it. Rex is actually totally fine for a more calculated criminal deck that makes impactful runs and turns. The coming rise (rerise?) of Leela is going to make it more apparent that this is true. Cerberus Rex supports this by being a āfineā but limited use code gate breaker.
Also supporting it with another āfineā card (passport) makes the whole thing a non-issue.
Now if we can find a way for panchanata to make breaker splash less important in criminal, weād be in good shape.
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Combined with the WML nerf, does this mean that Desperado isnāt the king of the hill anymore? Box-E and Logos are both powerful but expensive, and Forger doesnāt give you any MU. Doppelganger seems too conditional, especially since the whole point of not running Desperado is that runs are hard and expensive. Blackguard is ā¦ hrm. Reflection actually seems maybe alright, even if itās just a Dyson Mem Chip for 1c less and an underwhelming ability.
Desperado is probably the right call in 90% decks now, instead of the old 95% of decks.
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Iāve actually been down on desperado being āthe best console in the gameā for a long time. I think doppelganger is a suitable replacement, but logos is probably gaining steam because when it comes to āone big runā or ā1 impactful turnā is support by an anything-tutor.
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This is very true - thematically from the off it made little sense that Gabe āthe consumate professionalā was basically a nutter attempting to run every click and facechecking more than anyone else.
Cheap datasuckers and access to Desperado made him that way.
Ken aside the criminal fraternity are more circumspect and run rarely but effectively and this feels more apt. More than any other faction they struggle to get in consistently, but if they manage it they can ruin your day.
ā¦that said youāll have to prise desperado and datasucker from my Gabe deckās cold metal hands
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Its effective, until every ice is huge and theres 2 cyberdex in every deck, and getting your suckers wiped means losing your breakers you canāt recur. With the parasite MWL listing, I feel like its less likely you can play parasite Gabe, which to me was the last ārun a bunchā criminal we had. 
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I brought this up a few months ago.
If you go back through this conversation, I think we all agreed Peacock sucks, Rex is basically as bad as Peacock, and Passport is good. The benefit Peacock gives you over Rex is just not having to worry about getting taxed out of power counters.
Using Zu.13 was always painful.
I guess Criminals will forever be stuck in the Code-Gate wasteland.
Anyway, Leela sounds fun right now.
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So hereās a question - is Run Amok better than cutlery in Ken (or even other Crims)?
Cons:
More expensive (though if HSJ means playing public terminal that can be alleviated)
Canāt deal with something already rezzed
Corps choice to throw their ice in harms way
Pros:
Not subtype specific
Not dependent on breaking
Even if the corp rezs something minor you were going to have to play 3 inf to kill it with parasite anyway
Does mean you have to establish threat to use it on centrals (as opposed to another inside job on remotes), but Shutdown (and later Political Operative) does that for HQ, and maybe you do the 3xRDI thing to threaten R&D (and obviously the turning wheel later on).
I like Run Amok, but hereās some food for thought: similar Criminal cards already exist (Bribery, Running Interference) and are not played, probably because the corporation has the choice.
(I actually feel like Run Amok is a significantly better card than Running Interference, with a similar if not better economic hit, and thatās a bit of a blow for Crim.)
3 inf is too much, even in ken. The effect is one that will sit in your hand as you wait for the right opportunity to use it, and itāll never come. Maybe on a remote hitā¦maybe. Shame criminal is already weakest there when the corp has cash.