45 vs 49 card corp decks

The reason why you include those 4 cards is because you can. You are not dilluting your agenda density too much and aren’t making it greater as well. But what you are getting is 4 valuable cards, cards that will help you gain money, defend your servers, cripple or kill the runner and help you get your agendas without being a liability in your hand.

E.G., imagine playing RP when both sides are on 5 pts. What would you rather have in your hand (assuming you have enough upgrades and cash)? A Nisei Mk2 (or an NAPD) or a Fast Track? Imagine they Legwork you and they hit your Fast Track. That’d have been the game. Instead, you are increasing your agenda density for yourself, but not the runner. But also, you can choose when that card becomes and agenda and don’t have to worry about it clogging your hand and being vulnerable there.

As far as Glacier decks are concerned I believe they should always go for the 49. I certainly wasn’t trying to make the case that 45 is better than 49 universally, I 'm just exploring the possibility of it being favorable in some types of decks. But lets assume that fast track was in a NEH deck, of course as you say in that case it would have saved you :stuck_out_tongue: .

Some decks wants to draw agendas fast (Astroscript) while others don’t (Glacier). What all of them want though is consistency, meaning drawing that ice you needed, or that econ you are missing at the right time.

The problem is I don’t know if you can accurately calculate this and say “okay if I go to 45 cards I will on average lose the game on X accesses instead of X+1, with the benefit of having a Y percent higher chance to draw my ice and Z percent higher chance to draw my econ (and a higher chance to see Jacksons which means higher impact than Jacksons in a 49 card deck)”, and compare those two values.

Damn math.

Ah, the old 45 v. 49 debate. It’s been awhile. I’ve almost missed it.

The real debate should be 49 v. 54.

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The real debate is 45 vs 46…

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The real debate should be whether it’s time for 60 cards Levy-less MaxX to shine yet.

Every time they print a playable Anarch card its power grows… (dramatic music)

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@anon34370798 already beat us to this, and was well past 60.

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Syntax uses Tarot cards? That explains some things… :smiley:

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My current one plays 58 cards with 2 Levy. Tests with 1x is not enough, tests with 3x is crap, test in 45 card is even more crap.

Result, it’s a gem :slight_smile:

Wyldside. Pancake. Faust. Crescentus. Clone Chip. Mind blowing :slight_smile:

77 / no larla is still my favorite deck I ever played but not the strongest :slight_smile:

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I think there is enough playable anarch cards for 61 card levyless maxx and perhaps even 64! but anything past 64 is clearly bad

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This thread reminds me of that one legendary fool on the Netrunner Geeks Facebook page.

“You guys just don’t understand game theory!”

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Reminds me of this:

:slight_smile:

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Deckbuilding in 45 (or even 40) is a decision you make, not an automatic choice.
I and others made rushing TWIY* 40 working very well… If you can sacrifice a few points of course.

If you only have 5/3s, a 59 card deck has better agenda density than a 49 card deck…

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I started playing some rush decks with 45 cards and it felt pretty decent. Im not saying better but definately viable.

I ll keep it going at the very least its refreshing :stuck_out_tongue:

Why is 54 versus 49 the real debate?

Probably not the best of ideas to light up this thread again, but here we go: If we’re going to think about the necessary conditions for a hypothetical 45 card deck, how does it play?

  • It wants to score out agendas early and in rapid succession
  • It can reliably defend R&D or doesn’t worry about losing agendas to R&D accesses
  • It already includes tempo cards that you could otherwise add to pad out a 45 card deck to get to 49. (I’m thinking of Fast Track, Subliminal Messaging, and similar in-faction cards.)

Off the top of my head, you could experiment with a NEXT Design deck built along those lines. Rush early, fast advance late.

I think a 45 card corp deck would have to be one with Punitive Counterstrike and like Vanity Project and suchlike.

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Before clot came out, I had a 40 card TWIY deck that was fun to play and I used in a tournament. It was very fast but obviously vulnerable to R&D digs.

Maybe an haarp deck could have 45, since it has builtin protection?

…then you realise you could play this in 40…
If you realize the runner don’t phase 3, then better catch him in mid phase 2.
There’s tricks to learn there.

18 in 40-44 is not the same as 20 in 45-49. Agendas will fall in your basket or the runner’s but if frequency of scoring is high, if your deck is adapted, you’ve got an advantage vs the (maybe slow, maybe poor, maybe gearchecked) runner.