Argus Time!

whatisthistreachery · February 18, 2015, 6:43pm

It’s much easier to run Weyland remotes than PE. Either you spend all your influence on worthy assets from Jinteki, or you are left with DRT and advanceable traps.

And if you play DRT spam, the tax of getting rid of them is cheaper if you have the bad pub from Hostile / Checkpoint. And not running Hostile in a Weyland flatline seems like heresy to me.

IMO DRT + Raven is better in Gagarin, from sheer tax alone.

alienpilgrim · February 18, 2015, 6:47pm

I’ve been using Data Raven, Scorched Earth, and Punitive Counterstrike to compress the Runner’s clicks and threaten both sides of the ID ability. Agendas are 3 pointers and False Lead.

Snare seems unnecessary, and due to timing on central runs and Runner’s choice on the ID ability I’ve skipped DRT too.

I intend to try Bioroids for more click compression but influence is tight so I’ll have to give something up.

Also been thinking of swapping in PSF as alternative tag punishment.

Omer_Rotstain · February 19, 2015, 12:49pm

Here’s a fun Argus deck I made:

Argus Security: Protection Guaranteed (Order and Chaos)

Agenda (20)
2x Chronos Project (First Contact)
3x False Lead (A Study in Static)
3x Hostile Takeover (Core Set)
3x Posted Bounty (Core Set)
3x Profiteering (Second Thoughts)
3x Veterans Program (True Colors)
3x Vulcan Coverup (Fear and Loathing)

Asset (12)
3x Dedicated Response Team (Future Proof)
3x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves) •••
3x Shock! (True Colors) ••••• •
3x Snare! (Core Set) ••••• •

Operation (11)
3x Housekeeping (Order and Chaos)
2x Punitive Counterstrike (True Colors)
3x Scorched Earth (Core Set)
3x Traffic Accident (Order and Chaos)

Code Gate (3)
3x Checkpoint (Order and Chaos)

Sentry (3)
3x Archer (Core Set)

15 influence spent (max 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Order and Chaos

Decklist published on NetrunnerDB.

willlt · February 19, 2015, 6:51pm

There are so many major problems with that deck that I think you might not be serious Omer.

Omer_Rotstain · February 19, 2015, 7:30pm

And your “criticism” is so unconstructive that I think it’s you who’s not being serious.

moistloaf · February 19, 2015, 7:44pm

I understand that you are thinking you will play the attrition game, but keep in mind that 20/49 cards you draw are agendas. that’s 40%

Saan · February 19, 2015, 8:06pm

Here’s a couple that jump out at me. I was going to post earlier, but I honestly didn’t know where to start. So I’m just going to kinda throw stuff out there.

Your only economy comes in the form of agendas, and there’s only 6 of them. For almost any 49 card deck, this is very, very low. If you don’t draw a Profiteering immediately, you’re broke. If you do draw one, you almost invalidate 1/2 your ice (Checkpoint) because the BP you take makes the trace inconsequential, unless you want to blow the money you just got from the Profiteering. At that point, you just blew loads of cash to make it read “end the run” for a single turn.

The second thing that hits me in the face are the Punitive Counterstrikes in a deck that has 20 1-point agendas. People probably aren’t going to be taking more than 2 agendas a turn anyhow, since they’ll want to be taking tags each time they take an agenda (the times when people actually want to take meat damage against Argus are few), and they’ll want to clear those tags as soon as they get them. So you’re paying 3 (or 6 if you have both of them) to deal 2 (4) points of damage, which is not enough to do anything other than inconvenience the runner. Hell, I’d be happy if you did, since I’d probably gladly discard 4 cards to make a deck with no economy lose 6 credits. After all, if you have no money, you can’t advance agendas. And if you can’t advance agendas, you can’t get your economy back. Or pay for Snare!. Or DRT. Or Scorch.

That’s another thing. I can’t see a way for any kind of non YOLO-LET-ME-DIE runner to ever end the turn with a tag, which makes Scorch a dead draw and Traffic Accident a pointless exercise in futility. Wait, I just thought of one: if you get a False Lead scored, and forfeit it. Other than that, there’s no reasonable way to tag the runner on your turn. “But wait, there’s a Posted Bounty!” a voice says in the distance. Well, yeah, but since that’s the only thing in the deck that makes sense to IAA, the runner just runs on every advanced card, since there’s no threat not to.

Next: Shock! Why? I guess a net damage is a damage, but I’m already running against this deck with a full hand and at the very least a click left to clear tags if I hit an agenda, so I’ll just draw if I feel I’m in dangerous territory. Which I’m not, because you have no way to tag me on your turn anyhow. But if I feel like it, I can.

So against this deck, I’m running at everything you install. Everything. There’s nothing threatening enough to keep me from doing so. I’ll trash DRT, since I’ll have the money because I’ll only have to break ice every other tuesday (plus I’ll have loads of BP), I’ll clear the tag and draw after hitting Snare! (although the draw is optional, and once I figure this out I might just stop), I’ll give Shock! a weird look as I let it sit on the board, and I’ll let Jackson either do his shuffle thing or I’ll trash it. And I will steal 7 agendas.

Oh yeah, Housekeeping. I have no idea what this would even do, since I only need to install one program the entire game: whatever gets me through Archer, if I even care enough to see what’s on the other side, since there will be plenty of other juicy servers I can turn my attention to anyhow. Your hand is flooded, R&D is a goldmine, and each remote is probably an agenda as well. Regardless, Housekeeping is lasting 3 turns at the extreme long-end anyhow, since I’d be Shock!ed if I didn’t hit an agenda before then.

There’s more I could say if I looked harder, but I think I’ve given a good jumping-off point here.

moistloaf · March 24, 2015, 4:25am

been trying this out, more or less a port from @Calimsha’s titanism i was playing, been liking this more although it might be due to the fact that it’s been giving me half decent draws and a fighting chance, which the other list refused to do
###[Argus Submodernism][1] (49 cards)

[Argus Security: Protection Guaranteed][2]

Agenda (12)

2 [False Lead][3]
3 [Geothermal Fracking][4]
1 [High-Risk Investment][5]
3 [Hostile Takeover][6]
3 [Project Atlas][7]

Asset (5)

3 [Jackson Howard][8] •••
2 [Snare!][9] ••••

Operation (15)

1 [Aggressive Negotiation][10]
3 [Beanstalk Royalties][11]
1 [Biotic Labor][12] ••••
3 [Hedge Fund][13]
2 [Power Shutdown][14]
3 [Scorched Earth][15]
1 [SEA Source][16] ••
1 [Subliminal Messaging][17]

Barrier (5)

1 [Changeling][18]
3 [Ice Wall][19]
1 [Wall of Static][20]

Code Gate (5)

3 [Enigma][21]
2 [Lotus Field][22] ••

Sentry (5)

3 [Archer][23]
2 [Grim][24]

ICE (2)

2 [Chimera][25]

the negotiation is probably janky but i figure you can use it with single advanced agendas or scoring hostiles from remote. not very much testing so far but figured i’d necro the thread, argus ability can help slog the runner a bit, so i figured it was at least worth trying modernism in it