Have to agree. Operational econ is not a problem for NBN. 3x Sweeps, 3x Hedge, 3x Restructure. No other corp can really compete with this. And NEH has influence to spare for bringing in cards.
The big problem, as I see it, is that the singleton sub, largely porous ice selection means most of your influence goes into ice. And you’re very susceptible to parasite and femme. Anything that does tax, is probably avoided by D4V1D too. Which is fine. NBN being able to play a lateral game is heavily dependent on their uniquely high trash costs and ability to drop a ton of cards and score with less defenses by creating that moment.
But, I don’t know that glacier is an impossibility out of NBN. I think, you’re better served doing a rush-glacial hybrid, because NBN can go fast and NBN going fast is the best way to increase the taxiness of the ice it does use and give you windows for its really powerful tricks, like closed accounts.
Green level, restructure, hedge, blue level and even to a tiny extent peak efficiency would like a word with you. Ironically, its in HB though, who already have massive sexbot econ.
In my list. Green is only 1 influence, but it and blue come with the cost of speeding up the game by adding draw, which forces you towards a rush game plan. You only sometimes see these in HB decks.
Peak efficiency is only 1inf, as well, which makes it perfectly splashable into any faction. I’m surprised we don’t see it splashed into more glaciery builds. Sure, RP probably doesn’t need it the way it needs other cards, but there are weyland decks that would benefit. NBN would probably like it too, they rez a lot of cheap ice and want to be able to recover for the midseasons.
I think the real reason we don’t see NBN glacier is because its just really good at going fast, and why would you do anything else when it has such good 3/2 agendas. Still, I’ve played my fair share of NBN glacier. It means changing the way you view astros. They aren’t there to score the next agenda from hand. They’re there to boost what looked like 4/2 NAPD into a 5/3 beale, fragment, or pri-req. Or they’re there to do what biotic does and give you that final point in the final hour. But, why would you spend your time on this plan (which works) if its just slower and slightly less effective than FA? It’s not that you can’t play NBN glacier, its that there are better options in faction and a lot of the cards drive you in that direction, to the point that I don’t think many other people have taken the time to learn how to build and play NBN glacier.
My experience with ‘tracier’ NBN (cad+ash+viper etc) is that you play never advance, score 2 astros without token chaining, then every face down card is a 3point beale, so yea, its basically ‘waste the runner’s time’ style.
My other point was, in faction econ support is there for HB too, so the inf is free for caprice and other total BS cards. Sweeps is fine, but HB has more numerically than HB, and sweeps can be played around to some extent.
Make sure to include world’s plaza and ebc now, put director Haas on there as well, and see if you can’t make that work for you, maybe with an Adonis campaign on it as well. These ladies need escorts
Sweeps week is good but isn’t strong enough Econ to power a deck. The only non-NEH decks that have been vaguely successful that im aware of are midseason and psycho decks that import a ton of event Econ. These also aren’t as good as butcher shop or fastro, but are better in their respective ids (probably).
Also, celebrity gift is definitely better than sweeps.
For glacier to be viable you basically have to have something on the Econ level of the campaigns (either repeated through blue sun or just a ton of them in hb) or sundew. These have the secondary advantage of basically being must trash or giving up a huge Econ/setup advantage to the corp.
For glacier to be viable, there really needs to be something in that level.
I know it’ll no doubt be bad, but all the illicit stuff for NBN makes me want to run a bunch of it combined with BP removal. Wondering if it’d make Muckraker even close to worthwhile – it’s still parasited easily, but if you can take away the BP it’s 5 for a 3-strength sentry that costs Mimic between 2 and 4 to break without collecting tags. Add Improved Tracers to make the deck even less of a good idea and Muckraker becomes actually decent!
The hypothetical (MN?) BP deck would no doubt also run Shinobi alongside Grim and maybe a Checkpoint. Toss an Assassin in there, too… though it’s not bad pub. I dunno. Reality Threedee should do well enough for generating money so long as the runner can be tagged reliably, and removing BP’s not too tough – Broadcast Square, Expose, and All Seeing I should be sufficient in some combination to handle most all of it.
How will Apocalypse work with Hostile Infrastructure? Will the Runner take 1 net for every card trashed, or can they choose the order in which they are trashed so they would only take one? If they have to take the lot, can they tank it with Heartbeat before it gets flipped facedown?
All Corp cards are trashed before runner cards are turned face down. I think Hostile Infrastructure can be killed first and prevented from triggering more, but I don’t know for sure because simultaneous triggers and all. But you can definitely make use of Heartbeat still.
The kind of person who will play Spark is someone who enjoyed that City Surveillance NEARPAD deck. The one that put the Runner into a state of suffering after one misstep. The kind of person who will nail you with a Closed Accounts/UCF and start Boot Camping Popups/Special Offers on my turn and assets on yours so that you’ll take 3 turns to get up to a Sure Gamble.
Oh man. City Surveillance might be nuts with 24/7 new cycle. Put a BN on the board at any point. Double advance it if you’re up for fun. If they steal it, fine. If they don’t, fine. When the timing is right, either score BN or 24/7 news cycle the tags onto the runner, then close accounts. Then rez the City Surveillances. With no money, they’ve gotta start taking the tags and it’ll never never stop! Muahahaha.
Basically, being able to play an operation to stick a tag (24/7 New Cycle BN combo) without being ahead on money is going to be nuts for NBN. Turns on so many varieties of tag punishment via Closed Accounts.
All the corp’s cards are trashed at the same time. This results in X triggers for 1 net damage each where X is the number of installed corp cards. Yikes. This is the same interaction as Singularity vs. Hostile Infrastructure.
The Runner’s cards are flipped after the corp’s cards, so you can use Heartbeat to prevent some of this damage before all of your cards flip.
Yeah, I get that. It’s just that design space is an extremely fine line between busted (and by extension horrible to play against and alienating to non-competive gamers) and completely useless.
You’re either going to be able to consistently get to your wombo combo state or its too hard/not good enough (the actual case).
There are basically 3 scenarios for this id:
You get your wombo combo id which can consistently get to a state where it locks the game state through recurring ads.
There are enough good ads In the generic NBn deck that you’re hitting the runner for -2.5 or so a round to be better than NEH for the similar deck (this is really hard to have without the first).
The id is useless (and useless in a way that doesn’t interest casual players because it doesn’t do anything interesting just gives a mild Econ advantage for playing certain cards.
I’d have made it something like rezzing and ad lets you Rez another card lower it’s cost by 1 and ignoring all additional costs. This would allow some silly shenigans and could maybe be good for NBn glacier deck. Something that even if it’s good isn’t horrible to play against and if it’s bad allows fun crazy jank to be played.
This definitely enables shenanigans to the umpteenth degree. You just need to close a single account, any way you can get it. If spark can do this constantly, turtlebacks look even better, since you can just toss out ebc, then fetch city surveillance, find some time to score rebranding, rez surveillance, close more accounts, reverse the accounts, encryption protocol everything, taking even more money! The runner loses a credit each turn doesn’t sound bad, and it’s probably how Lukas meant it to play. Maybe every rez would be ridiculous if it took a credit, you could probably engineer some way to steal runner money. Corporate town would have to be in this deck. Can’t wait for d&d