Can someone explain to me why anyone would ever use Diwan? Once you choose a server, wouldn’t they just build a different one? And if the server was already completely built then Diwan just loses a few credits.
They can’t build new central servers! (Unless you include disposable HQ)
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Ok, so put diwan on HQ.
Then, cutlery siphon. System outage.
CorpPurge.
Play Ixodidae, and do whatever.
Corp clicks for 3.
System outage, FIS is gold, that is so dirty.
There’s a number of plays, this is just the hyper combo finish of econ denial
I agree on system outage being blue, I put something similar in my imaginary big box Overt and Covert.
One point of comparison is Gorman Drip
Well, one good thing about system outage being orange is that Anarch might have TOO many card choices to ever play the card.
I don’t think System Outage + FIS is a combo.
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@crossbrainedfool seems to think so, so I jumped on the bandwagon. Your right upon second look at the card though. Maybe a way to force them to play Daily Business Show then.
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I thought this at first, then I rtfc. It will trigger every turn aftee the corps mandatory draw, but much like Palana and ETF, it works on both turns, so Fisk or FIS would trigger it.
CBI raid + system outage is a combo <.>.
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I don’t think System Outage triggers on either DBS or FIS. You don’t lose credits on the first draw, no matter how many cards you draw on that instance.
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No, it wouldn’t. The first draw on the runner’s turn is from Fisk Investment Seminar. Or Fisk. You’d have to play both Fisk and Fisk Investment Seminar and…this already seems unwise.
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I mean, that’s kinda what you want to do with Fisk, but it seems like trying bend things to make the corp lose a credit.
Hmm, please do parse the card text the way you’re interpreting it. To me it reads the corp has to draw on more than one occasion during a single turn and the number of cards drawn at once never matters. So the corp loses exactly one credit per chunk of cards drawn after already drawing at least one card on the turn.
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Yes, this is correct. I should have specified, you need to both play FIS and trigger his ability to make the Corp lose 1, which may be too much work.
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It sorta depends on which way they want to go with it.
Both interpretations are legal English parsing.
Only one interpretation can be a legal Netrunner parsing.
I don’t think we’ve had a similar effect come up yet in Netrunner?
(While dangerous to use this analogy, since it is in no way Definitely True; MtG would rule that DBS/FIS would trigger System Outage, because it specifically treats ‘Draw X cards’ as ‘Draw 1 card, repeat X times’.)
On the other hand, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense for the text to specify “whenever the corp draws 1 or more cards” if by definition one could only draw one card at a time.
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In Netrunner, when the game tells you to do a thing and says a number, it is counted as doing one instance of the thing. Thus, Fisk Investment Seminar’s entire 3 cards are the first time the Corp drew that turn.
We can extrapolate the damage rules to come to this conclusion. Scorched tells you to do 4 Meat. This damage, while applied 1-by-1, is done all at once as once instance. That’s why a Runner with 3x I’ve Had Worse in hand and no other cards dies: the whole effect is resolved as one instance before any other game effects resolve.
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Your logic is sound; but is also analogous to the MtG ruling. Damage there is also all at once. There’s stuff that does similar effects as The Cleaners, where a source of damage that deals 3 is increased by 1 to 4. It’s only specifically drawing cards that’s different. (And even then, ‘Whenever you would draw cards, instead draw one more’ does get interpreted to mean that Draw 3 cards changes to Draw 4 cards.) The point of the MtG ruling is to make sure that ‘Whenever an opponent draws, you may draw a card’ causes you to exactly mirror how many cards they draw.
Outside of a similar weird ruling in Netrunner, I do agree that it seems likely that ‘the first time you draw cards’ doesn’t care how many cards are drawn. (‘First time cards are drawn’ vs ‘First card drawn’) The unfortunate truth is that a lot of existing corner cases in Netrunner exist because RAI takes precedence over RAW, and this is a place where the designers could have intended FIS to trigger System Outage, and so the ruling will be made that it does. (And to be fair, it’s a little weird/impossible? to have it trigger on the Runner’s turn at this point without Fisk + FIS. I suppose Lady in the Red Dress would do it too?)
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Seems clear to me they mean instances of drawing 1 or more cards based on their wording. Had they wanted it to be each card, it wouldn’t say "1 or more cards"on it anywhere, and it would have finished with something along the lines of “if this is not the first card drawn this turn”.
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they could panic button after using Fisk hehe. I’m reaching as you can tell.
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