Is RSVP worth it over another Ichi? I suppose you use it for rushing out things, but only 1 copy looks a bit too little for that. Very nice list otherwise
In a vacuum, absolutely not. (No pun intended.) But with only 3 Code Gates in the deck, I’m loathe to drop one, and there are no neutral/in-faction Code Gates worth a look. RSVP is really solid at rush, with a little tax combined, in Gagarin.
I think you’re underselling the tournament at the weekend. There was yourself, @cerberus, @apeasylum, Joey, James in those 18. It was a pretty strong field. Well played.
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Well, there was also a ton of luck on my side. My first corp game I had Andromeda sat on top of R&D with an RDI for the first 10-12 turns, and she only found 2 points for her trouble.
But I’d agree the field was strong, and thank you for the compliment.
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3 Roots? Daaaaaaaaang. I usually just run 1 and recur it if necessary. How’d they work out for you?
The Root is amazing. Rez a Pad Campaign/Public Support/Ash on the Runner’s turn, then on your turn install double advance Oaktown with Root credits. Some games it will utterly snowball the gamestate in your favour, others it will open a scoring window.
(Some games a Criminal will click for 6-7 credits a turn and stomp you into the ground.)
Oh, I recognize what The Root is able to do. It’s amazing when you get it out. The problem I have is that Gagarin tends to have their money in assets, not necessarily in their pool. Dropping 6 credits can be painful, and I’d often rather see an econ asset (or tutor it when I want it with Executive Bootcamp) so that I can still rez ICE.
You’ve definitely made me reconsider though!
Part of that is why I added the Gila hands. An early Gila score means you can keep dropping Roots behind a Caduceus and rez them repeatedly. It’s also why Oaktown and Pads are vital - it’s important, as you note, to get liquid returns out of The Root as soon as possible.
I also scored a naked Gila many games. Bonus points for doing it with Root credits.
Yeah, Brendan did really well with this list, it’s really good and I think could be strong with some adaptation.
Some thoughts:
I played around SE for a good while, not sure if the deck loses anything with repeated play?
He’s right about Criminal though, the game was very one sided. He scored the naked Gila but that was it. Don’t let that take anything away from this deck which seems great in the current meta. (Also he absolutely wrecked my RP with his Noise)
@Dragar do you think that you’d consider GFI to reduce agenda density? (obviously it’s not available here yet)
heh, I feel like this is the story of weyland’s life. Even in non-scorch decks one of your strongest abilities is the threat of scorch 
I like the list a lot. very similar to what I’m running right now. I think team sponsorship is really worth a look in decks like this, especially with scary or annoying must-trashes like corp town and ash.
I’d love to know more about what was so tough in the crim matchups. Is it really just desperado and sec testing? siphon spam too much to deal with even with all the assets? or just some other factor I’m missing? Please note I’m not disbelieving you (personally i’ve played like one crim in the last 2 months) but i’d be interested to hear more about what makes the matchup so tough.
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My experience with similar looking Gagarin decks and Criminals is that they make money off your remotes with Security testing, giving them the credits to trash them. Many criminal decks are teched against multi-remote decks such as the Team Turtles deck out of NEH, so a lot of them are running 2-3 Bank Jobs as well. Again, this just means that your remotes are giving them money to trash your remotes. It just makes a lot of that hard remote pressure sublimate away.
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I’ve never been too troubled with the Criminal matchup. Corporate Town is almost as important against Crim as the Anarch, as is some amount of Crisium Grids, which Gagarin definitely needs. Then again, I’m talking about the TFIN Batty Ash list me and @voltorocks have been playing. You find out which type of Criminal they are pretty quickly, TFIN / natural draws will find your counters, and good play can tide you over until you get a CT or Crisium going. Team Sponsorship will keep them in play throughout the occasional Drivebys or desperation Inside Jobs. Then you choke them out just like RP, because most of the ICE Gagarin runs is really expensive for them to break. Criminal is why I still play 2x Fire Wall (cautious with Shutdown of course)
I played against 3 Andromedas in our local recent ANRPC that I got 2nd in, and won** vs. two of them. Sam Suid trounced me with his standard Andysucker list with great play and aggression, but his wins were ultimately from all out central aggro, not contesting remotes. **I also lost in the final round top table to another Andromeda, but I was on match point with a untouchable remote and he won in a R&D glory run only because of not having Global Food yet. Steve played it masterfully though and deserved the win.
Gagarin ultimately went 2-2 on the afternoon (Kate went 4/0, she’s just too good against NEH Turtleteam and it was all the rage) but had one in its grasp. Bank Job hurts, but honestly, without it they would be DOA. Recurring Crisiums and Corporate Towns deal with their econ engine too well.
Threads been quiet for me, I’ve still be rocking the same deck. It’s become a staple for me and wins an overwhelming amount of games. I get people conceding often, since they know the list so well that they know how it’ll play out when I make a crucial blow. It’s my personal version of RP, and still loving it.
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Yeah, I’m still repping that deck too. kinda surprised how resilient it’s been, even with all the extra scrubbers and imps showing up for some reason…
Early corp town is brutal to security testers (I’ve also sniped pre-installed bank jobs and the like on occasion) and Marcus into ichi mid game is a death knell to many crims. Like I said earlier though, I have played very few recently (and no events since nationals) so ymmv.
Yes, I think that would work really well. It has been on my list of things to try for a while. You can up Public Support to the full 3 if you’re worried about rushing, and it would probably help the Noise matchup to be able to push out a 3 point agenda. I’d also want more ice (Tour Guide?).
This. You can fix it a little by adding another piece of ice, dropping a Pad Campaign maybe, and just turtling to deny Bank Job/Security Testing. But you lose most of Gagarin’s strong point there. It’s sad.
Corporate Town just isn’t reliable enough, but I have certainly won against Criminals where I’ve rezzed it and crushed Kati/Security Testing.
Many of the card choices were built with Noise (Caduceus) and Kate (Spiderweb, more barriers, The Root) in mind. I’ve played vastly more criminals lately than either. I don’t know why there’s a massive Criminal resurgence, but it’s not a deck I’d recommend in a Crim filled meta.
Sure. But it’s not too onerous to slip the kill threat in if you want to shake things up… I’ve been testing against people who know there’s no kill threat, and utterly fail to respect it. It’s still felt strong, given the caveats we’ve already mentioned.
I have been having a lot of fun with a polished version of the list I posted earlier in this thread: Secret Weapon Gagarin · NetrunnerDB
I’m currently 3-0 in SHL with it so clearly it’s top tier 
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Interesting list, though i don’t know if I have the balls to pull off an 11 ICE deck 
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So I went 8-0 with this on Jinteki.net tonight. Including a win on points with a Takeover and a Public Support XD. Had 2 punitives in hand and about double the runner creds thanks to a scored High Risk. Not enough action against Crims yet for me to get too excited, but dam. Murder train. The best thing about this deck is that the art all reminds me of some utopian middle class America where the corps control and murder the proletariat (and that it really, really doesn’t need Jackson)
Boom Two!! (Alt Art Boogaloo)
Gagarin Deep Space: Expanding the Horizon (Order and Chaos)
Agenda (6)
- 1x Government Takeover (Order and Chaos)
- 3x High-Risk Investment (Order and Chaos)
- 2x The Cleaners (Second Thoughts)
Asset (16)
- 2x Contract Killer (The Underway)
- 1x Corporate Town (Chrome City)
- 3x Daily Business Show (All That Remains) •••
- 1x Executive Boot Camp (All That Remains)
- 3x PAD Campaign (Core Set)
- 3x Public Support (The Universe of Tomorrow)
- 2x Snare! (Core Set) ••••
- 1x Worlds Plaza (The Universe of Tomorrow)
Upgrade (2)
- 2x Expo Grid (The Universe of Tomorrow)
Operation (14)
- 3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
- 1x Midseason Replacements (Future Proof) ••••
- 3x Punitive Counterstrike (True Colors)
- 3x Scorched Earth (Core Set)
- 2x SEA Source (Core Set) ••••
- 2x Traffic Accident (Order and Chaos)
Barrier (7)
Code Gate (2)
- 2x Enigma (Core Set)
Sentry (2)
- 2x Archer (Core Set)
15 influence spent (max 15)
21 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Universe of Tomorrow
Deck built on NetrunnerDB.
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All aboard?
Blasphemy!
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Further tests indicate that Jackson is a bit better than the DBS. Almost living the dream there for a moment.
Looks very cool, but for a punitive / midseasons deck, I have to ask about the lackof economy. If they kill the pads, then you only have Hedge Fund.
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