Gagarin Appreciation Thread

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i’d just trash the expo and waltz around the Snare! lol :confused:

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Heh yea just refuse that 1 credit and bam

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Nobody trashes the expo on its own for 4 bucks, nobody. XD And when the game is up you just install a Jackson over the snare and shuffle it back in.

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sure, not when you can just trash the PAD for 5 and turn off 2c per turn, but a server with a Snare! and Expo is just a click and 4c to turn off 1c per turn for the corp, which is the same as PAD for every other corp

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That’s the whole point of the deck though : / Get them them to continuously spend credits on crap while you build up to your kill and amass your credit pool.

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With World’s happening this weekend, those of us in Portland who weren’t able to go threw a tournament we christened Portland World’s. I came out on top with Gagarin being undefeated in this clearly superior and obviously more prestigious tournament. Here’s my list:

Gagarin Tax Firm

Gagarin Deep Space: Expanding the Horizon (Order and Chaos)

Agenda (10)

Asset (15)

Upgrade (4)

Operation (5)

Barrier (4)

Code Gate (6)

Sentry (5)

15 influence spent (max 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Data and Destiny

D&D was great for Gagarin, with Global Food allowing me to run 2 completely safe 5/3s. Previously, if a 5/3 got stolen, it kinda felt like the game was over. Now it kinda feels fine. Assassin is a great taxing piece of ICE, which I’ll usually try to throw over whatever serverI think they’ll want to run the most. Usually not a remote, but occasionally. Finally, Launch Campaign is the perfect replacement to the continually underwhelming Capital Investors. I get a credit immediately on rez, and I get the credits at the beginning of my turn, without having to sacrifice a click to do so. I would almost never hit Capital for an entire turn, and when I did, it usually felt bad and then got trashed anyhow. If Launch gets trashed, I almost never mind; I didn’t expect it to stick around anyhow.

My original version has Pups in it over Pop-ups, and I really liked them. However, the slight bit of extra econ that Pop-up provides helps, and I actually would occasionally run into the problem of people just taking the net damage Pup can give rather than taxing credits, which was actually a problem, since cards in hand for the runner doesn’t usually matter to me. Folks above suggested it, and I finally gave in. Good call, folks. I really like throwing them over something like a Launch Campaign just to make them pay even more for it.

I think I scored out something like 6 naked agendas today. I think it’s a really good idea to do this in Gagarin at least once a game, just to show them that you will. This forces them into checking remotes more than they want to, wasting not only the cash, but also the clicks that they probably wanted to use elsewhere.

The only thing I’m maybe not as happy with as I could be are the Tour Guides. With the switch to Launch Campaigns, I find that sometimes I don’t have as many rezzed assets on the board to make it very good (as good as a strength 0 ICE can be, at least). There was one awkward moment where I let them past an ICE thinking I could rez Tour Guide to keep them out of the remote, but realized that Launch had just ran out, and the only other asset I had on board was a Corporate Town that I didn’t want to rez til the runner’s turn was over, since it would wreck him (it did). Fortunately, it was an NAPD in the server and the runner was on 3 credits, so they couldn’t take it anyhow, but it made me feel very awkward.

Anyhow, the deck basically speaks for itself in terms of what it does. Just thought I’d give a brief rundown on what I liked and what I didn’t.

Go go gadget Gagarin!

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Sounds like Bailiff is the new call there.

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The slots of Lauch Campaign/Capital Investors are best spend in Oaktown Renovation, especially with The Root. Having an econ and an agenda in one card is great, especially with no Bad Pub involved. Three slots give you place for realy good cards, such as another The Root, Cyberdex and Crisium Grid.
Atlas is a good agenda, but it just doesn’t fit. Sure, sneaking two points is great, but it’s risky.

Team Sponsorship doesn’t work with Public Support, so I would change them at least to an Architect. But we have Caduceus in faction, so I don’t know if we need to spend inf for a Sentry with the same tax.

I love Crick. It usually gives you one free install from archives and sometimes even more if you know you to play with your Jackson (hehe). It’s great for central servers protection, which is needed in many matchups.

I’m pretty excited for new cycle, as we will probably get many good cards for this type of deck.

My current build:

Gorgorath

Gagarin Deep Space: Expanding the Horizon (Order and Chaos)

Agenda (10)
1x Chronos Project (First Contact)
2x Global Food Initiative (Data and Destiny) [color=#708090]••[/color]
3x NAPD Contract (Double Time)
3x Oaktown Renovation (Chrome City)
1x The Future is Now (The Universe of Tomorrow)

Asset (12)
1x Corporate Town (Chrome City)
3x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves) •••
3x PAD Campaign (Core Set)
3x Public Support (The Universe of Tomorrow)
2x The Root i[/i]

Upgrade (7)
2x Ash 2X3ZB9CY (What Lies Ahead) ••••
1x Crisium Grid (First Contact)
1x Cyberdex Virus Suite (Order and Chaos)
3x Expo Grid (The Universe of Tomorrow)

Operation (4)
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
1x Interns (Mala Tempora)

Barrier (5)
2x Meru Mati (Breaker Bay)
2x Spiderweb (The Underway)
1x Wraparound (Fear and Loathing) •

Code Gate (5)
1x Crick (Breaker Bay) •••
1x Quandary (Double Time)
2x Viper (Cyber Exodus) ••
1x Wormhole (Order and Chaos)

Sentry (6)
2x Archer (Core Set)
3x Caduceus (What Lies Ahead)
1x Tour Guide (The Universe of Tomorrow)
15 influence spent (max 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Data and Destiny

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

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Oaktown is a very, very good agenda, I certainly don’t disagree, but saying Atlas doesn’t fit I think is just wrong. With no 3/2s in the deck, you advertise that all your agendas are indeed agendas (except the 3/1s, I suppose), and I think that in Gagarin that’s probably not wise. I actually think it’s actually really important to try and score a naked agenda early in the game, even if you don’t actually score it. It’s not enough to run assets in Gagarin and say “this identity makes remotes more taxing!” because it doesn’t actually matter at all unless they are checking them. Having agendas that give me the ability to throw them down and simply score them next turn if they aren’t checking remotes punishes them for it, and makes them start wasting time and money to do so. Plus, you can’t make them think an Oaktown is an NAPD if you IA it, but with Atlas you can. I played 2x Oaktown 2x NAPD, 3x Atlas when I first built the deck to test all the agendas, and it was the Oaktown that I almost always wished was an Atlas or an NAPD. Admittedly, nothing on earth feels better than advancing an Oaktown with The Root, so I’ll give you that.

As for Launch Campaign, I was very happy with them all day long. I could see taking one out for another The Root, perhaps, simply because The Root is so nice to be able to get out, and lots of times there are things I would rather tutor up with TFIN or Atlas. However, I’m able to recur them quite often with Team Sponsorship (and occasionally Interns, which has been fantastic for me in this deck), so having more of them is nice. I’ll try 2 and 2 and see how I like it, though.

Speaking of Team Sponsorship, it actually does work quite well with Public Support, just not in the way you’re thinking. It doesn’t fire when Support gets scored, sure, but I can use it to bring back a trashed copy of Support, and do so often. It works fantasitcally with TFIN as well, giving me an install on whatever I tutor up right when I do so. Plus, it’s also one of the must-trash assets in the deck, which is something I actually want the runner to be doing. I’ve been very, very happy with this as an asset so far, so I’d be pretty loath to replace it with just more ICE.

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Totally agree with naked scoring. 100% the right avenue of play. It’s what makes NEARPAD or Team Turtles good.

I’ve been running 2x Oaktown 2x NAPD 2x Atlas. Frankly, any 2-pointer suite can be picked up and anything can be cut. The Launch Campaigns here add more econ than previously there before so maybe it is possible to cut the Oaktowns. For now I’ll be sticking with the 2-2-2.

Surprised you got by with no Cyberdex or Crisium. Though with Pop-up and Launch, you were pretty good on econ so Siphons might hurt less. I’ve seen heavy play out of either Crisium or Cyberdex nearly every game.

Launch Campaign is strong, and definitely finding a home in my Gagarin builds too. Might be the Paywalls going away for them, simply because Launch is often just faster money. The Current subtype is marginally nice, but right now nothing matters but Hacktivist.

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It’s funny you should mention the Paywalls, because right before this I was running 1x Interns, 2x Paywall, 2x Capital Investors. Once I realized that Launch Campaign was probably a strait upgrade over Investors for the playstyle I wanted, I figured that cutting the Paywall was probably fine as well, especially since I really wanted to go back up to 2x Interns. So I changed it to 3x Launch, 2x Interns and have never looked back. I miss the groans as Paywall hits the table, but don’t miss much else.

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As boss as the oaktowns are, I ended up cutting them for 3-3 NAPD and atlas. both are very easy to score in this shell, with atlas having the bonus side effect of optionally going for the tutor tokens. If I could open up a deckslot, i might consider dropping the 2x 3 pointers for 3x oaktowns, though…

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This is the list I played at worlds, and it was by far my best performing deck there. It won half of it’s games. 2 losses were down to random access on R&D while I had the win on the table, and two were to agenda flooding like nothing else (7 agendas in 7 cards with no Jackson is supremely hard to deal with).

In general it really did it’s job, kept runners poor and kept me rich. The root is stupid good, and there are so many parasite targets that some of the ice sticks around and the rest can be recurred with team sportsball.

I think I may try dropping and Ash and an Expo grid for a Hudson and a Swordsman.

It was a supremely fun deck to play. This deck has gotten up to 50 credits and 13 ETR subs on a single server, which is hilarious.

Gagarin Deep Space: Expanding the Horizon

Agenda (11)
3x NAPD Contract
3x Oaktown Renovation
3x Project Atlas
2x The Future is Now

Asset (16)
2x Corporate Town
2x Executive Boot Camp
3x Jackson Howard •••
3x PAD Campaign
3x Public Support
2x Team Sponsorship ••
1x The Root

Upgrade (3)
2x Ash 2X3ZB9CY ••••
3x Expo Grid

Operation (3)
3x Hedge Fund

Barrier (5)
2x Hive
3x Spiderweb

Code Gate (5)
2x Enigma
2x Turing ••••• •

Sentry (6)
2x Archer
3x Tour Guide

15 influence spent (max 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Universe of Tomorrow

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

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Turing is now getting splashed at 3 influence. If ever a card were underrated on review…

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Reviews are overrated. Turing won me a regionals just after every review said it’s bad.

Both are very underperforming. Viper is much better.

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I’d be really leery of dropping down to only one Ash. Having one Ash feels darn close to having no Ash at all, especially with no Interns to bring it back if you need it.

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Yeah, I am concerned, but want to give it a shot. Moreover I am totally unwilling at this point to drop a Turning since I think it is the best ice in the deck.

Also sportsball recurs Ash pretty well.

I might, if I don’t like those changes drop the sportsballs instead… they are really hit or miss, either they are amazing or just kinda sit there and add subs to tour guide.

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When you’re spending almost all of your influence on HB cards you really need to ask yourself a question - why not just play HB?

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ehh, that logic doesn’t really track (butchershop, you’re spending all your influence on weyland cards; why not just play weyland? asked no one ever). And while in this case it’s true that HB is very top-teir right now while weyland continues to be the dog of the corps, I think these decks do a lot of interesting things that HB decks just don’t: The ID ability, the surfeit of tutoring tools, the rush-friendly weyland etr ice, high influence toys like corporate town, the root, and 3x public support - just to name a few.

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I’m not saying you should change the faction, I’m only playing the devil’s advocate. I’ll also play Gagarin, until it’s tier 1. :slight_smile:

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