Well, Gencon is all about AGOT 2.0, which is cool. Also, they really want to push that Star Wars thing (Armada, Xwing, LCG, Assault, etc.), as they should.
ANR was an unintended success they weren’t prepared for. FFG was used to 40 person AGOT Worlds, not 240 people for ANR. They’re still playing catchup/cap-it.
They had 120 person AGOT worlds before Netrunner got big. 
AGOT’s real success has been in europe. We’ve had 240ish people at AGOT European Championships twice now.
Any business worth a damn will see that as an opportunity, not a problem. It just takes time.
Loving Netrunner and Conquest both. Wish I had time to play them as much as I’d like to…(I know, I know, who doesn’t)
Or don’t argue it at all because it’s a thread about getting back into Netrunner, not how the games compare to one another
IMO anyone that stopped playing Netrunner from H&P through the Lunar Cycle should find that the meta has stabilized to a preferable spot since O&C was released.
Please don’t
I put Val, Andy, Noise, and Maxx well above Leela and Reina. Leela has no hope vs RP, which is the most popular deck, so until people start playing something else, you can expect to have no hope in about 25-40% of your games. Anarchs are certainly in an interesting spot; obviously I like Maxx but Val Whizzard and Noise all have shown a lot of promise recently as well.
I think that while EtF is good, it’s noticably worse than Butchershop and RP. I would probably put Butchershop and RP at T1 for corps, and BS Glacier, EtF, and Astrobiotics at 1.5, but I think for corps the power levels are a lot closer and subject to metagame considerations.
Question, where are the other shapers put into?
I always thought Stealth Kit, or Kit in general, was a contender for tier 1.5
When it comes to Shaper, this forum is very PPVP/Kate-centric and most people pretend there are no other green decks which are playable 
Don’t know much about Kit (though I guess you can build strong decks out of her), but IMO definitely at least Chaos Theory Opus/Stimshop deck is tier 1,5 (a bit weak NEH matchup but very strong against any glacier)
No more posting about conquest here. Use the thread I just spawned off of this. In general please make use of the handy ability to Reply as a linked topic!
Thanks folks.
Sorry about that.
This, by the way, is where the Competitive Meta at—thanks to Matt Dawkins for the underlying data:
Gives you an interesting perspective on identities that are sealing the deal per showing:
Points to the following IDs potentially being underplayed: Val, Whiz, MaxX, & Ken (suspect since only 1 showing)
And corps are much less interesting right now:
Runner’s game it seems.
So maybe I wasn’t too far wrong, back at the end of January!
D4v1d, Eater, Lady and Net Ready Eyes. Strong cards, and not much to compare corp side.
Back in January I think corps in general had a better game. With the threat of NEH it was so much easier to do other things. But now that decks can slot the clot and play a slower game, corps have indeed suffered. The interesting note here is that NEH is still a powerhouse to be contended with. It has some of the best showings which means runners probably aren’t actually teching for it all that often, but still went a bit a slower and hated out glacier because of RP’s prominence.
The other potential is that NEH drove runners to just get better at this game and the need to set up fast, have tons of money and disruption may be hurting other corps more than NEH. Basically, NEH may have trained us all to be better runners hurting other potentially weaker decks in the process.
Multiple ways to read this; all of them interesting, but all of them concluding basically the same thing. You can win as corp, but you’re probably not going to be doing too much interesting while doing it.
My take here is just that NEH is nowhere near as strong as it used to be - certainly it’s not the same. Compare the Scorched Earth based NEH numbers back then to now, for example.
But people are way less teched against it. Back in January, you could hardly afford to put Professional Contacts in your Kate deck, or Vamp. And yet we’re seeing these cards appear all over the place. NEH is massively weaker, but it turns out that when the entire field isn’t running decks purely to beat you, you can still do okay, or even really well. That’s the same reason non-NEH decks were doing so well back then. Not so any more.
Kate still has above average conversion of a top 8 position into a victory (expected value would be 12.5%) so it makes me wonder if the other runners who have a high conversion rate are partly just coincidental since there is not enough data to get a solid trend. (If there are multiple Kates in the top 8 of a tournament, only one of them can win). It would be more interesting if we could compare number of top 8s or number of wins to the total number of each runner being played in the tournament, regardless of how well they went.
That’s a very solid point. Which means the “underperformers” are really only, Leela and all the runners who made it to a top 8 but didn’t get a win. Since Leela is still winning a portion, it might be possible to assume that the pilot matters a ton more than the Identity in her case. Playing her perfectly is apparently harder than playing Andromeda who is according to these numbers a better ID to have in the top 8.
Val & Whiz are the most interesting to me though. Simply because once you’re in the top 8, they’re performing the best. And I think that makes sence. Whiz has a crazy economical advantage with all of this high trash cost stuff running around. And Val has the best economical advantage of any runner to date. 4 free credits a turn is nothing to sneeze at.
Val’s ability is rarely this, though it has the potential to be. The Super Inside Job is a bigger deal.
