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// 0 \\ Agenda - Weyland
When you score an agenda with the same name as another already scored agenda, it is worth an additional agenda point.
Wouldnât this trigger twice for 2 scored agendas? This making 3 Hostile worth 6 points? OP AF
Heck, your second advance planning is worth 1, and your third would be worthâŚ3? 4? and if you score out all 3 advanced plannings, then your second hostile is worth 4.
This beat MaxX and Kate last night, but Iâve not had chance to test it properly yet.
Blue Sun: Powering the Future (Up and Over)
Agenda (11)
3x Hostile Takeover (Core Set)
3x Project Atlas (What Lies Ahead)
1x Corporate War (Future Proof)
3x Oaktown Renovation (Chrome City)
1x Global Food Initiative (Data and Destiny) â˘
Asset (6)
1x Adonis Campaign (Core Set) â˘â˘
3x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves) â˘â˘â˘
1x The Root (Upstalk)
1x Executive Boot Camp (All That Remains)
Upgrade (7)
1x Ash 2X3ZB9CY (What Lies Ahead) â˘â˘
1x Off the Grid (Second Thoughts)
2x Crisium Grid (First Contact)
1x Cyberdex Virus Suite (Order and Chaos)
2x Breaker Bay Grid (Breaker Bay)
Operation (8)
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
3x Oversight AI (A Study in Static)
2x Restructure (Second Thoughts)
Barrier (6)
3x Curtain Wall (True Colors)
1x Hive (Double Time)
1x Changeling (Up and Over)
1x Spiderweb (The Underway)
Code Gate (5)
1x Tollbooth (Core Set) â˘â˘
3x Enigma (Core Set)
1x Wormhole (Order and Chaos)
Sentry (6)
1x Archer (Core Set)
1x Swordsman (Second Thoughts) â˘
2x Architect (Up and Over) â˘â˘â˘â˘
2x Assassin (Data and Destiny)
15 influence spent (maximum 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Data and Destiny
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Looks pretty sweet. Iâll give it a bash as well.
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-1 Corporate War, -1 HT, -1 Swordsman, +1 Food, +1 Caduceus, +1 Restructure.
Why, for the love of Jackson why?
Card changes with no explanation makes me a sad panda.
Last nightâs games I crushed an Eater with Swordsman and felt like a boss.
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This is the real problemâeven if you take advanceable ice as a usable schtick, it doesnât scale with costs correctly.
Advancing an ice costs a click and a credit, and FFG seems to have valued a click at about 2 credits. (Of course, theyâre parallel economies, so thereâs a limit to this analysis.) So youâre doing 3 credits of work on an ice. For the Space Ice, that bears out by saving you 3 credits later; for all other ice, it doesnât work. Take Ice Wall or Shadowâyou do 3 credits of work to raise the STR by 1, when most ice price strength at 1credit/1STR.
I can understand why FFG was hesitant to give you 3 STR per advancementâyou could run into ice with ridiculous strengths. But why not just say you can advance ICE up to X times, instead of making ice that doesnât fit the costs? This might work if it was even 2 STR per advancement.
Iâve never ever had Swordsman do anything for me. Maybe itâs worthwhile at the moment, but it still seems just alright. I think Food +1 card slot is so much more valuable use of that 1 influence. Restructure and Caduceus might not be the best alternatives.
Sorry, I totally agree, I shouldnât have posted without further explanation.
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I like this but a more elegant solution templating wise would be having the bonus capped rather than restricting the number of advancements (like the space ice have the bonus capped at their cost).
Ice Wall as âIce Wall can be advanced and has +3 strength for each of the first 3 advancement tokens on itâ
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Typically those running AI breakers used to have Mimic to sort out Swordsman and obviously Kate had one to protect Atman as well as deal with Architect etc.
Anarchs seem more worried about Turing on centrals these days and packing an answer for that.
My other version of the deck has Patch and STR 4 Swordsman (and Architect) can be really irritating to deal with.
I find Caduceus a waste of time personally, probably in the same way you do with Swordsman.
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what do u take out to put patch instead?
No, it would only trigger once. So, Hostiles number 2 & 3 would be worth 2 points each. But it means you only have to score 2 5/3âs as well. Making weyland extremely threatening, but its positional, it must be scored before the â2nd+ copiesâ to have an affect.
I think a better wording for the agenda would be something like:
Advanced Planning (cost: 1 points: 0)
âWhenever you score an agenda with the same name as an agenda already in your scoring area, install advance planning on that agenda as a condition counter with the text: âthis agenda is worth an additional point.ââ
I think this would be pretty fun as a 1 advance 0 point agenda. It would be good archer fodder, but to be worth anything you need to score something else twice (or score two advanced plannings to get 1 point)
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This is funny to me because I remember when everyone was bitching that there werenât enough etr subs.
Which has also been the case, letâs not lie. But I think thatâs because of the same overvaluing, and now Weyland is caught in this loop of âIce not good enough, ETR subs are very good, more ice with thatâ when theyâve had enough of those for a long while.
See also Negotiator, where the sub they took out was the ETR, not the money gain or program trashing. Glad for the latter, couldâve survived losing the former.
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One crucial fact is that the design team is two cycles ahead, so if their testers miss something (Faust being dominant, for example), they canât pivot to quickly rebalance things. If Faust wasnât so prevalent I think Weyland rush would be in a decent tier 1.5 spot, maybe T1 with a good pilot. Hopefully they realized a year ago that big green needed a boost, and thatâs why they havenât spoiled any decent Weyland cards for the Mumbad cycle (because theyâre saving the good ones for launch day).
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Based on Lukasâs, âyyyyyeah, Iâll have to talk to Damon about Weyland,â I doubt theyâre going to see many boosts in Mumbad. Could be wrong though! Hope springs eternal and all that.
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I dunno if someone said this yet, but maybe a remake of âI Got a Rockâ would shine. Sac. 3 agenda points, do 15 meat damage if the runner has 2+ tagsâŚseems alright.
Unfortunately, that still is better in NBN. NBN scores one Astro and then they can install-advance-token Breaking News into 15 meat damage.
Weylandâs easiest combo would need a Hostile + Atlas scored, and then you still need something like Midseasons to get the two tags.
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