Some butchershop builds have a CVS, so that when you run an agenda with imp ready, they can rez and wipe after you declare access. I think butchershop is a bad match-up for noise.
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Plascrete is also very good, as it’s a surprise when installed on peddler. It can make them waste cards, after which you can usually rummage through their servers with impunity for few turns at least.
I agree, it’s not good. I focus a lot on setting up against them, and clot is key in not allowing them to out train you.
Also, CVS are in limited supply, and if they use it on imping an agenda, they won’t use it on double medium runs through raven or something similar.
Thank you for the input, genuinely, but just to be clear i am aware imp is a card. My original question was probably worded a bit poorly, my interest is specifically in how much cash are people floating on average, and specifically with the pacer style low econ build. Im trying to ascertain a general trend regarding the economy of the deck, based on mine and others experiences with it.
Iv not found butchershop to be awkward once yet, although it means keeping hands you would otherwise ditch (2x imps no aesops for example).
with the 6 econ card version I don’t think you can really ever hope to compete economically with a deck that’s trying to money up for SEA/scorch/scorch. Barring a freak start involving Aesop, 2 caches and a Deja Vu you will never be able to come close in the early game, and just have to hope they don’t draw the 3 cards they need before you Imp one of them. There’s no real point floating a few credits, you either need to be on more than them or it doesn’t matter, and you will never be on more than them, so you might as well be on 0 with more stuff in play (ok, 2-3 rather than 0, so you can afford to play next turn’s pancakes goodies)
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Well my answer was somewhat like: “It depends”.
With the current popular list you don’t have any reason by yourself to keep a high credit total, and since none of your cards demand it by itself you only stack credits if your opponent forces you to do it. While you will never reach the same amount of credits as Yellow Flash, giving a high priority on recurring Cache can build up a sizeable amount of credits if you are OK with less recursion for other offensive cards like Imp.
Against most decks I haven’t found any need to be above my usual amount of 1-4 credits, but if I need to threaten runs through Tollbooth I keep it higher.
These are all good points. You will perform better for the upcoming tournament by playing decks you know well. But over time I think it’s possible to develop a range of playstyles, even though meta-specific information stales.
I played NEH FA and Datasucker Andy for a long time because they were the best decks. When the meta shifted I was forced to move away from both of those. Once I got my footing back I improved as a player.
I would rather be 90% all around and get to play the best deck when a tournament comes up, than be 95% at NEH and Datasucker Andy and only get to win when those decks are on top. And I would be willing to tolerate lots of time at 30% skill level on my way there.
So, Noise got 1st and 2nd place at the German Nationals. My Noise only lost one of the 8 games … the Grand Final against RP. I’ll post a longer report later.
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Germany f* loves Noise.
Also decklists!
I had to run the full gauntlet at the German Nationals:
- 2 qualifier tournaments at friday and saturday (about 45 players each and 6 rounds of swiss)
- the 32 player tournament on sunday with 5 rounds of swiss and top 8 double elimination
Overall 39 games of netrunner, 20 of those with Noise. Final record for Noise: 16-4
- vs. Butchershop: 2-2
- vs. FAstro: 6-0
- vs. HB: 3-0
- vs. Cambridge PE: 3-0
- vs. Grail Biotech: 1-1
- vs. RP: 1-1
As you can see I only dropped games to Butchershop, Biotech and RP. First loss was against Butchershop with Sea Source, SE, SE which got me to include I’ve had worse on saturday and sunday. There were a lot of NEHs and I think about half of them were of the Butchershop variant. On sunday that changed, still more than 50% of the field was NEH but more FAstros than Butchershops.
2nd loss against Butchershop was on the last round saturday, when I was already qualified for sunday and we had only 15 minutes for that game. I just played too fast and died on turn 7 oder 8 I think.
Against Biotech I found my Faust way too late and he was able to score out too fast. When I met him for the 2nd time on sunday I was able to win with a big R&D dig.
The grand final against RP started with a really bad draw after mulligan without Wyldside, Cache or Aesops and he drew all 3 sundews and a lot of cheap ICE. I was to able to kill the first sundews but sadly not the 3rd and he was able to run away with the game from that point on.
My decklist from saturday and sunday:
German Nationals 2015 - 2nd place
Noise: Hacker Extraordinaire (Core Set)
Event (6)
3x Déjà Vu (Core Set)
3x I’ve Had Worse (Order and Chaos)
Hardware (5)
3x Clone Chip (Creation and Control) [color=#32CD32]••••• •[/color]
2x Grimoire (Core Set)
Resource (11)
2x Adjusted Chronotype (The Valley)
3x Aesop’s Pawnshop (Core Set) [color=#32CD32]••••• •[/color]
3x Street Peddler (The Underway)
3x Wyldside (Core Set)
Icebreaker (3)
2x Faust (The Underway)
1x Mimic (Core Set)
Program (20)
3x Cache (The Spaces Between) [color=#4169E1]•••[/color]
2x Clot (The Valley)
2x D4v1d (The Spaces Between)
3x Datasucker (Core Set)
3x Imp (What Lies Ahead)
2x Lamprey i[/i]
2x Medium (Core Set)
3x Parasite (Core Set)
15 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Underway
Deck built on NetrunnerDB.
As you can see it’s fairly standard. On friday I had 2x Daily Casts and 1x Scheherazade instead of IHW but I think making that change was the right decision. IHW got me a win against Butchershop on saturday and made the 3 PE games a lot easier. Being able to survive a Komainu + House of Knives is awesome. 
Lamprey also won me a game against PE where I was able to steal his 2 TFP while was at 0 credits from Lamprey. Clot or at least the threat of Clot slowed down the FAstros enough. Only one of the games against FAstro was really close. And sometimes you just have to toss 4 cards into Faust to get through Wraparounds.
I rarely actually used Datasucker because I sold it most of the time. I guess thats neccessary without any other economy in the deck.
IIRC I didnt install Mimic a single time in those 20 games. So maybe I should cut that.
From what I saw in the final the winner played a really similar decklist. He had a corroder and I think daily casts but no IHW. Aside from that it looked identically.
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Congratulations on an awesome result, well done!
Regarding your list, did you hit architect at all? As the only reason i still run mimic is that piece of ice.
Also, maybe i misread your write up a bit but are you saying that you felt IHW was a better include than casts? I use inject currently to buff the draw but no IHW can be a painful thing im finding in some games.
Yeah, there were some Architects in FAstros and HB of course but most of the time it was possible to just ignore the server protected by Architect or just break it once or twice with Faust. I generally accept that Architect will fire at least once when I play against HB but even with that the matchup is generally still good enough that it doesn’t really matter. And better facecheck those Architects early than later because they might actually not have something useful to install or not enough money to do anything with it.
And yes IHW > Daily Casts against Butchershop, FAstro and PE. IHW can save you from the Breaking News plays out of Butchershop which otherwise can be really hard to avoid. And it’s really good against Butchershops that actually pack Sea Source now because they have to kill you with 2x SE and IHW is really likely to trigger from the first SE.
Against FAstro IHW is just draw that helps you to draw into your Imps, Clots or just feed the Faust.
The only time I really missed to econ from Casts/Scheherazade was the final against RP. In that matchup you actually need some money to steal agendas …
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There was a lot of Noise at the Nordic Champioship this weekend. For the top-8 half where playing Noise (incuding the winner) and an additional 5 players if you counted top-16.
Unfortunatly I missed the top cut for day 2 with 16/24 prestige and my Noise went 4-2 losing to @lpoulter with HB and @Terrificy with NEH-FA.
I ran the following list:
Noise: Hacker Extraordinaire (Core Set)
Event (3)
3x Déjà Vu (Core Set)
Hardware (5)
3x Clone Chip (Creation and Control) ••••• •
2x Grimoire (Core Set)
Resource (11)
2x Adjusted Chronotype (The Valley)
3x Aesop’s Pawnshop (Core Set) ••••• •
3x Street Peddler (The Underway)
3x Wyldside (Core Set)
Icebreaker (5)
1x Corroder (Core Set)
3x Faust (The Underway)
1x Mimic (Core Set)
Program (21)
3x Cache (The Spaces Between) •••
1x Clot (The Valley)
2x D4v1d (The Spaces Between)
3x Datasucker (Core Set)
3x Imp (What Lies Ahead)
2x Lamprey i[/i]
2x Medium (Core Set)
3x Parasite (Core Set)
2x Scheherazade (Second Thoughts)
15 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Underway
That was probably the closer of my NEH matches, if I recall correctly. You played it well!
Shamefully, our match was also my Kate decks only win on that day. Even with 4 Clots, a Vamp and seeing 17 cards on R&D, I only managed to score a single Breaking News against my round 4 opponent.
I should probably just have been playing the Noise deck, which Adam was playing (he ended at 4th seed playing Noise/Weyland I had a large hand in optimizing).
Big congratulations for your strong finish, @Mythras! Way to go representing the Ruhr Valley in the top cut.
Now I’m envious
I took 1st place at the Minneapolis ANRPC event yesterday with this deck. It went 4-1 on the day with the one loss being to an Astrobiotics deck that I got a really bad read on. He started with tons of money and remote spam, so I prioritized Imping the remotes rather than setting up in case he was putting down naked agendas with a Midseasons. He actually just had a really weird draw and it cost me.
http://netrunner.meteor.com/decks/iskTnavv4KfsbX38f
Noise Peddler (45 cards)
Noise: Hacker Extraordinaire
Event (4)
3 Deja Vu
1 Sure Gamble
Hardware (7)
3 Clone Chip – – –
2 Cyberfeeder
2 Grimoire
Resource (11)
2 Adjusted Chronotype
3 Aesop’s Pawnshop – – –
3 Street Peddler
3 Wyldside
Icebreaker (3)
1 Corroder
1 Faust
1 Mimic
Program (20)
3 Cache - - -
2 D4v1d
3 Datasucker
3 Imp
3 Lamprey
2 Medium
3 Parasite
1 Scheherazade
My econ slots are really weird with 1 Gamble, 2 Feeder, and 1 Schez. My reasoning was that in testing all of these cards performed very similarly but got worse in multiples. I finally caved and put some real breakers in, but they didn’t do that much for me. I never installed the Mimic, and the Corroder did well for me once, but sat in my hand the rest of the day. As always, Lamprey was the MVP, forcing premium ICE to be used on HQ, the least important server.
In the final round my RP opponent rushed out to a 5-0 lead. When the game ended he had no remote servers, no ice except for a lotus on HQ, and no cards in his deck 
Satisfying.
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What’s your plan against astrobiotics anyways without clot?
I like the deck a lot, was willing to use 3 lampreys for a long time but never found the spots 
Medium digs. I’ll never try to say the match-up is good, but I’m not sure Clot helps enough unless you are willing to put in 2, which I’m not. If they get the god-draw you lose every time, but you have some strong tools to punish their average and below draws. If they draw ICE-light you can wreck R&D or bury them with Lamprey.
Can’t be favored against everything 
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