Official Rules Question Thread

I like my explanation better even though (especially because) my explanation is wrong.

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Jako has a degree in Netrunner-esse. I’d trust him.

Question:
“The Corp may choose a card in HQ. The Runner accesses that card. If he or she does, trash Kitsune.”
“Whenever you access an agenda, you may host that agenda on Film Critic (the agenda is no longer being accessed and is uninstalled).”

If the Corp hands a Fetal AI or something with Kitsune and the Runner puts it on Film Critic, are they considered to have accessed the agenda at all? If they don’t access the agenda (either this way or some other way), does Kitsune trash?

My reading is that for “whenever you access…” to trigger you must actually be accessing it at some point, otherwise the condition has not been met. So my vote is for yes Kitsune is trashed.

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Film Critic isn’t a replacement effect, so the access still occured, it just ends prematurely.

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More archangel questions:

Suppose the runner runs HQ with Raymond Flint and Imp installed. When they access cards, they hit archangel, and the corp pays 3 to trigger archangel. During the encounter the corp rezzes realitythreedee and Flint triggers. Does this end the encounter with archangel? If not, if the runner hits the archangel again and imps it, does that end the encounter?

I think it’s 1. no 2. yes.

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Slums:

Once per turn, when you pay the trash cost of an accessed card, remove that card from the game instead of trashing it.

Hostile Infrastructure:

Whenever the Runner trashes a Corp card (including Hostile Infrastructure), do 1 net damage.

We know how these interact on the runner turn, but what about the corp turn? Is “paying the trash cost” of a card legally distinct from “trashing” it? Does it happen first anyway?

I don’t think it is about priority - I think it is about “instead of.” Since slums are a replacement effect, I don’t think the trash ever happens.

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If that’s the case, what if they’re were two archangels in HQ (i.e. The runner may or may not have trashed the he was encountering)?

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as crazy as it sounds, I think you’d have “nested” encounters: i.e; the encounter with the second archangel would take place and once concluded the encounter with the first (which is still ongoing) would resume from wherever it was when the realitythreedee was rezzed (similar to how a doppelganger run may/must be nested within a Comet two-event play).

The nested encounters is fine. The question is about accessing HQ during an encounter is an archangel in HQ.

I guess you access randomly but you still keep the accessed Archangel face up, to keep track of which Archangel is being accessed (as there might be another Archangel in hand). So you might access the same Archangel again, and can Imp it (after a potential second encounter, nested mid-encounter with the same Archangel).

This is another reason you should roll dice for HQ accesses!

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It would seem like the obvious solution here is to fan out the other 4 cards in HQ face down, roll a D6, 1 is the faceup archangel, 2-5 are HQ, six is a reroll.

Funnily though there’s that little floor rules note that says that the corp cannot insist or mandate that the runner roll a die for his HQ accesses rather than picking from swished around cards. So what if the runner says “I exercise my right to not have to use a die for my random HQ access?”

IMO, this is just an incidental example of why that floor rule is dumb, because this nested encounter is a rather clear situation where the “Random HQ access” process is best aided by a d6, and it’s not super different from other possibilities like the corp being concerned a sleeve is slightly scuffed. I understand the point of trying to minimize unnecessary delays, but it needs to be written out as more of a guideline than a right.

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This is the first thing I wanted to do with Comet.
And then I realized they’re both consoles. :frowning:

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oops! what was the example I was trying to think of? maybe dirty laundry and comet? or dirty laundry and doppelganger?

errnyways, I think my point stands.

Any run event and Comet would nest a run in the middle of two event plays.

The idea that people should be forced to use dice because otherwise we can’t do anything in the edge case of “archangel+Raymond flint+reality threedee Rez during archangel encounter” seems like a bit much.

Wouldn’t, as the TO, you just have them pick up the archangel, have them do the random access, then resolve that archangel and the encounter put on hold? Obviously a TO should oversee it, but it doesn’t seem to be disastrous in any particular way.

If the Archangel is picked up and 2 are in HQ and the corp swishes the cards around, the TO also won’t be able to determine whether the second accessed Archangel is the same one, unless the frontside of one of the Archangels is marked.

Oh no! We might have to use…a different copy of Archangel! Dun dun dun!!

If this extremely rare case does arise, just call the T.O. or Marshall over and have them clear it up. They can just flip the card upside down in the sleeve or use dice to make sure the encountered Archangel is known.