I wish I could! Hosting is weird tho. I’m trying to open a conversation with Lukas to see the best way to fix this.
That text is irrelevant given the golden rule. How do suppose Djinn and Awakening Center work?
http://netrunner.meteor.com/decks/2sGW4ajz4EaiLTYx5
THANKS LUKAS
New combo deck: Score Glenn Station, win the game.
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Why not just errata Glenn Station and Film Critic to only allow uninstalled cards/uninstalled agendas to be hosted? This is small, simple change, and is easy to apply to other cards going forward. It still lets Corporate Troubleshooter be installed on Off Campus Apartment.
Alternatively, add to the hosting rules: "when it is installed, a card may be hosted on another if one of the following holds:
- The card being installed has an ability which permits or requires it to be installed on a card with a certain quality, and the host card has that quality.
- The host card has an ability which states it may host cards of a certain quality, and the card being installed has that quality, and the host card does not have an ability which could host cards on itself."
This is wordy and still allows Corporate Troubleshooter to be installed on Off Campus Apartment.
It might also be a good idea to ensure that “only the owner of a card may use an ability which permits that card to be host of other cards.” Of course, this doesn’t fix Glenn Station.
Finally! Weyland have an agenda that the runner will care about them scoring!
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Sadly, ruling rescinded:
If a card tells you how to host on it, then that is a hosting restriction and you cannot host on it another way.
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I really hope this ruling (corp hosting on Film Critic) stays. Blocking Film Critics with 2/1s (15 Minutes, anyone?) sounds like so much fun.
Endless hunger can’t break pop up window right? It only breaks “end the run” and nothing after right?
Correct
Cards hosted on Glenn station are not installed so cannot be advanced. Cute though.
Rulebook p.14
“For [click] and 1[credit], the Corporation adds one advancement token
to an installed card.”
Lukas’ initial Film Critic ruling implied that cards that said “X can be hosted on this” could host a card installed from hand. Before he back pedaled on this ruling last night, you could spend a click to install the agenda on Glenn Station, rather than using the click ability on the card, then start advancing.
I see. I had to go back though the reddit thread and the tweets to get my head around this nonsense. Thanks for the quick explanation.
Anyhow, it’s a dead ruling now since he revised it, which is nice. The world is sane once more. I’ll always remember the 3 hours where Glenn Station was the most OP agenda in the game, though.
R.I.P.
Glenn Station
2:16 PM, 8/22/15 - 11:35 PM, 8/22/15
NEVER FORGET
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Just to share with the class, so to speak, here is Lukas’ confirming the reasoning behind the Media Blitz ruling for me. Essentially, references to a single card title (i.e. without “each copy of X” or “for every X” or some similar modifier) can only ever be self-referential. If for whatever reason a card refers to a single card title that is not it’s own, that text is effectively blank.
"Zak,
The text is considered to be on Media Blitz; it does not copy the effect in relation to the card it is pulling from. B) is correct; if you just have the appearance of a title in card text, it is assumed that it refers only to that copy of the card, unless it specifies a number, or copy, or each, as you note. This is what I meant by the ability is self-referential: it does not specify that it is referring to more than itself. But the self in question does not match the card and so it does nothing.
If you Media Blitz a Braintrust that has a counter on it, you would not get the reduction since Media Blitz is both not named Braintrust and has no counter on it. Global Food Initiative likewise would not be affected.
Hope that helps"
After I had asked him:
"Hi Lukas,
Many thanks for the response (and the follow up!). I’d really appreciate it if I could just clarify exactly the reason it works this way. When Media Blitz copies the text of a self-referential agenda is it:
a) That when you copy the text onto Media Blitz, you actually copy the effect of the text onto Media Blitz (as it appears on the original card) rather than the text itself. So in other words even though the text is on Media Blitz we parse it in relation to the original card. (I’m not sure if this is what you mean when you say it’s self-referential but Media Blitz isn’t the “self”)
b) That as a general Netrunner principle all references to a named card X that aren’t self-referential don’t actually refer to anything at all unless they state “copies of X” or “for each X” or similar. So if card A ever says “Card B does xyz”, then it’s effectively blank. (I think Media Blitz is the first occurrence of this in the game)
It might make a difference for a few certain agendas, especially with Turntable a possibility. For instance, a Braintrust scored with one token, swapped with Turntable and then copied with Media Blitz would give a -1 rez cost under scenario a) since the text on Media Blitz would still reference the token on the turntabled Braintrust. Or under scenario a) the upcoming agenda Global Food Initiative could be made to be worth one point with Media Blitz (one point reduction for the effect on the agenda itself, one point reduction from the text on Media Blitz referencing the stolen agenda.
Many thanks!"
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Does Wyldside prevent the use of Fisk Investment Seminar since it’s a priority event? If so, is this still the case with Adjusted Chronotype?
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It seems like it whatever the answer is for Wyldside should be the same for the Wyldside-Adjusted Chronotype combo.
You don’t technically prevent the click loss and the start of your turn is the same whether Adjusted Chronotype is installed or not, losing a click to Wyldside. So if “losing” a click counts as “spending your first click for no effect”, then it won’t work either way. If it doesn’t count as equivalent (so your first click spent after Wyldside is “your first click”), then it will work in both cases. As a note, Victoria Jenkins is worded differently: “The Runner has one fewer clicks to spend” (no mention of “losing” anything per se, it just never exists to start with). Whether that is a relevant distinction, I couldn’t say!
Here is the relevant ruling. Losing clicks is not the same as spending clicks.
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Thank you! This makes the evil mill deck with x3 Fisk Investment better >:D
I’ll crosspost this question just in case I get an answer sooner because of it:
Basically the question is, does Running Interference’s additional cost to rez Ice counteract the fact that Muertos Gang Member allows the corp to rez a card “ignoring the rez cost” (as opposed to “ignoring all rez costs” like Priority Requisition says)? So if they choose to rez a piece of Ice after I trash Muertos Gang Member, they’ll have to pay the rez cost.
Muertos only ignores the rez cost. It would have to say “ignoring all [rez] costs” in order to ignore the Running Interference cost as well.
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