Order and Chaos Corp Card Evaluation

SamRS · 2015-01-30 03:51:51 UTC

How has everyone’s testing been going? I’ve only gotten to test 2 builds, so this is just knee jerk reads, but so far

Impressed with:
Wormhole
Fire Wall
Firmware Updates
Space Camp

Ok:
Asteroid Belt
Nebula
Orion
Satellite Grid
Glenn Station

Not impressed with:
Searchlight
Titan Transnational
High Risk Investment

Haven’t played:
Argus
Gagarin (likely my next thing to test, good with upgrades)
Government Takeover
Mark Yale
The Board
Constellation Protocol
Builder
Checkpoint
House Keeping
Patch
Traffic Accident
The Twins
Sub Boost
Dedicated Technician Team
Cyberdex Virus Suite

My hopes of playing non-kill weyland don’t seem reasonable right now, what have you tested/how has it played out?

EDIT: Let me reiterate, Wormhole is bonkers, probably my favorite corp card in the pack

mendax · 2015-01-30 04:11:37 UTC

I’m not surprised you weren’t impressed with Titan if you weren’t putting Yale in it. Those two seem made for each other.

SamRS · 2015-01-30 04:25:11 UTC

I can see it being good if you can score firmware, I feel like I need credits as weyland before I score agendas though. Weyland agendas already make a bunch of money.

bblum · 2015-01-30 04:28:57 UTC

I’m glad wormhole is putting up good results for you. I was initially really excited about that card, then became suspicious of it. Now I will take some time to try it out. Were you playing it in BS?

I’ve played some with MaxX, very briefly, so don’t have a lot of evaluations, but so far:

Great cards:
Steelskin/IHW
Day Job (packing 8cr of economy into ONE CARD is so huge, forget the cred/click rate)
Wontons (worse than legwork, but 0 inf)

Not impressed:
MaxX (she’ll have a hard time being better than tier 2, glacier can just outlast her)

No data, wish I had more:
Knifed (seems great for killing eli?)

Killonaire · 2015-01-30 04:29:15 UTC

Only played a few Runner games so far with the new stuff, vs traditional decks (Blue Sun and NBNFA).

Edward Kim is amazing. Disrupts the corp a crazy amount with his ability.
Eater + Silverware is legit. It counters taxation servers pretty bad.
Wanton Destruction is solid, but is hard to find timing for (for a first click run).
I’ve Had Worse is amazing vs Scorch.
Vigil was drawing about every 2 out of 3 turns, or more. This is desperado level good.

MaxX is lots of fun. That ability is crazy powerful economically. Just make sure you run permanent econ (Magnum Opus) and you’ll be fine in a long game. I AR Lab’d and went through my deck almost twice!
Showing Off is fun. It’s as good as Demo Run for the deep medium dig win maneuver, except it’s timing is different (you play it after a normal run instead of before) and guarentees you’ll hit stuff the corp won’t see. They’re pretty equivalent.

mendax · 2015-01-30 04:36:45 UTC

Even just HT gives an extra couple of creds with Yale, so it’s good with every agenda.

SamRS · 2015-01-30 04:37:32 UTC

traditional weyland, grndl and TT. Was trying to rush through a satellite grid server (using it to flip changeling/lycan and rez constellations). 7 Strength codegate is super annoying for criminal and anarch

SamRS · 2015-01-30 04:38:34 UTC

oh, I guess you could put counters on any agenda. Makes sense

false_idol · 2015-01-30 04:56:50 UTC

Wormhole is streets ahead. Only constellation ICE I would consider rezzing for full price, as a 7 strength code gate is nothing to shake a stick at. At worst, its an ETR, which again, at strength 7 I’m happy to pay. I’m not sure what the “best” subroutine in the game is, maybe flare?

moistloaf · 2015-01-30 05:00:15 UTC

what has impressed you about Firmware Updates? just for money with Titan? Is it worth running a 3/1?

SamRS · 2015-01-30 05:00:23 UTC

Flare, Heimdall 2’s second sub, neural katana, either Architect sub depending on the board. I could also see a tagging sub like data raven or virgo, but yeah, usually it just etrs or trashes a program.

Actually, I wasn’t running yale (although 8 credits out of titan is tempting). It was mostly saving me a lot of money on wormholes and instant speed switching Changeling and Lycan. I’d say worth it if you have the deck slots. Bumping up Fire Wall’s strength also mattered once, just very useful to have scored.

false_idol · 2015-01-30 05:06:09 UTC

I don’t love firmware yet (I’m playing it in Titan and I’ve eaten the counters with Mark Yale once, which was nice) but I think if you have any advanceable ICE, its pretty favorable work compression, and helps roll you into late game and keep your ICE walls useful as a) the runner assembles a rig and b) you accrue BP.

I did not think about using it to give the morphs a bit more sting. That certainly is useful.

willlt · 2015-01-30 05:14:03 UTC

Note this is about Corp cards. We’ve already had tons of discussion about the Runner in other threads but for some reason very little on the Corp.

I’ll have to do the math but it seems like overall much lower influence costs for Weyland’s cards compared to Jinteki’s big box. Anyone testing things outside of Weyland?

SamRS · 2015-01-30 05:17:18 UTC

I’m going to put wormhole in everything. Housekeeping, traffic accident and checkpoint are interesting in PE kill, the twins might see play in the foundry, most of the stuff seems to rely on advance-able ice synergy though, not sure if there’s enough influence to bring everything with that.

willlt · 2015-01-30 05:19:31 UTC

Would you say it’s strong enough by itself or should you have a plan for getting advancement counters on or using them after?

SamRS · 2015-01-30 05:22:51 UTC

In jinteki you definitely use the counters, in HB I think you just pay for it or give it away with advancements (maybe run 1 nebula/orion for people too comfortable knowing it’s a wormhole)

moistloaf · 2015-01-30 07:39:12 UTC

Susan seems best pairing with Wormhole. Since Tennin gets Susan in faction, and Wormhole is only 2 influence, my first thought goes to importing Wormhole into Polish Tennin. what does sh think of this list:

###[Tennin Wormhole][1] (49 cards)

[Tennin Institute: The Secrets Within][2]

Agenda (10)

2 [Braintrust][3]
2 [Clone Retirement][4]
3 [Medical Breakthrough][5]
1 [Philotic Entanglement][6]
2 [The Future Perfect][7]

Asset (3)

3 [Jackson Howard][8] •••

Upgrade (2)

2 [Caprice Nisei][9]

Operation (17)

3 [Celebrity Gift][10]
3 [Commercialization][11] •••
3 [Hedge Fund][12]
2 [Medical Research Fundraiser][13]
3 [Restructure][14]
3 [Trick of Light][15]

Barrier (3)

3 [Ice Wall][16] •••

Code Gate (9)

3 [Lotus Field][17]
3 [Quandary][18]
3 [Wormhole][19] ••••• •

Sentry (5)

2 [Grim][20]
2 [Susanoo-No-Mikoto][21]
1 [Tsurugi][22]

Cut to 1 Tsurugi because Wormhole synergizes better with Grim.

mendax · 2015-01-30 09:00:03 UTC

I also had this idea, but with -1 grim, -2 TFP, +3 NAPD because TFP can’t be scored without biotic, and Grim and NAPD don’t really get on.

willlt · 2015-01-30 10:03:13 UTC

Hmm I don’t see how the Susan effect is any better than end the run in that deck. Also, Stealth Andy with her 7 strength Switchblade seems to be the current deck to beat. Maybe the wrong time for a 7 strength Sentry strategy.

Calimsha · 2015-01-30 10:15:53 UTC

Susanoo no Mikoto is only good if you can make your archive dangerous. With security Testing around, it’s hard to make archive as dangerous.