Post MWL NBN FA

It is. Crim is still a thing ;). I’m not gonna freak-out because less than third of the field will play clot. And being able to either ride the astrotrain or fast-advance from 1 creds against crim is still something nobody should underestimate.

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Fair enough. I definitely wouldn’t consider Caprice in NBN, like you say, but in the HB deck it just reinforces the toolboxy nature of the deck. It’s not about freaking out about Clot, but about diversifying your paths to victory and keeping your opponent guessing which one you’re taking. I could see it go either way frankly, either keeping the SanSan or cutting it. I’m quite comfortable playing it against Criminal in general, with Leela of course causing the most trouble.

But enough about HB in the new-age NBN thread. :slight_smile:

Caprice with a raven in front of her somewhere is not a horrible thing.

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But what do you cut to gain 4 (or 8) influence?

In Making news I think 3 Ash, 3 Eli, 2 Ichi 1.0, and a couple of Shadow is where I’d go, in NEH I’d probably run 3 Eli, 2 Caprice, 3 Architect.

For what we’ve tested, trying to beat clot with NEH just weaken every other matchups. Remote NEH just die to Femme and econ denial and it isn’t that good against clot deck because kate can still easily burst in 2/4 time in a row if it’s needed against Caprice/ash.
I’ve got a good chunk of victory against random players on OCTGN but when I’m playing against really good players who know what they are doing, it isn’t even close.

The best bet would probably be to play the same old 2/3 biotic deck and pray not to face too many clot deck (which I think won’t be that present in the SSCI) and accept you will lose 1/4 of your games and wreck faces in the other 3/4.

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ash / san san / red herring in making news

play the slow game

yielded me good results so far in my shoot the moon deck. but ash and tollbooth alone help out a ton. also grail and midway. you got choices to explore.

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With the Breaker Bay, NEH has another option for dealing with Clot, or at least the Clone Chip/Clot combination, The 0 rez/3 trash asset that prevents cards from leaving the heap. You play it unrezed on a previous turn and then flip and sneak out an agenda while they can’t reinstall their clot. I’m not sure it’s better than other options (or just not including any anti-clot tech) but here are my thoughts on the pros and cons compared to other anti-clot assets.

Pro:
Useful against Anarch/Shaper even if they’re not running clot
Cheaper to rez and harder to trash than Cyberdex
Doesn’t need to be advanced

Con:
Dead draw against Criminal
Doesn’t tax recursion

I’ve had mild success with Aggressive Secretary but it’s expensive and requires you to play shell games with the runner which is something I hate doing. Dropping the Aggressive Secretary would let me reinclude the second biotic which would make the non-clot matchups better. If everyone keeps playing Kate while they were doing in the SSCI, it does more work than any other anti-clot card and screws over MaxX as a side bonus.

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It needs to be protected to do anything much though

Reversed accounts baited out a clot against me one game, 4 credits with SMC, and then lose another 4 and burn the SMC is an interesting trade.

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And apparently a new whup-ass decoder coming to shaper dex everywhere in Breaker Bay… codegates qq

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Do your opponents check your unrezed remotes that often? Honest question as my local meta may be different than normal. My opponents usually check the first few to make sure I’m not sneaking out agendas then get lazy and stop checking. Anything unrezed they assume is a jackson or sansan that I can’t use due to clot. I can sometimes exploit this to score out NAPDs with Biotics.

Yes, definitely - not least because we have a couple of NEAR PAD players around.

It’s not lazyness, it’s tempo racing. They are doing this because they are late. I do the same.

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Yeah, unless there’s a reason to believe there are traps, or a window where the runner is down on board position, unrezzed remotes will get checked :).

the new decoder is… fine. Without spoiling it in this thread (though it is a clot thread started months ago so…) i will say that I think all the current shaper decoders still have play even with it in the meta. The new breaker is more flixible for a wide variety of situations, but I think a lot of times a strong meta-call for one or more of the other options will be better.

TLDR the new decoder doesn’t solve the tollbooth problem much (if any) better than any other decoder. as usual, the best solution is a blue killer.

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Refractor is pretty good against tollbooth too. 4 Credits total, maybe only 3.

Refractor costs the same amount as Cyber-Cypher to break Tollbooth.

I think this pack is good for old MN, in making a tagsation tracier deck. I like meru-mati for a splash and gutenberg. The tag drizzle type looks interesting with virgo and gutenberg being rough to cope with unless you just take the tag. The problem still is we don’t have lots of good ways to use tags. I was looking at psychographcs with market research and RDP, if clotted, left in a fairly taxing remote with bernice mai. And of course, closed accounts is always fairly brutal.

Has anyone been testing a tag based MN that isn’t specifically fast advance?

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I am but without shl its hard to say if its any good, although been playing with Vex so he can say something.