1 Vamp is the correct answer.
Ha! I might as well post the Reina denial deck I had previously been working on as it seems everyone has jumped to it.
Tax Farmer
(45 cards)
Reina Roja: Freedom Fighter
â Event (14 cards)
3 Account Siphon
3 Déjà Vu
3 Steelskin
3 Sure Gamble
2 Wanton Destruction
â Hardware (3 cards)
3 Vigil
â Program (13 cards)
2 Crescentus
3 Eater
2 Keyhole
2 Knight
3 Lamprey
1 Mimic
â Resource (15 cards)
3 Armitage Codebusting
3 Data Leak Reversal
1 Hades Shard
3 Joshua B.
3 Same Old Thing
2 Xanadu
SoooooâŠIâm definetly one of those whoâs going to hate this deck and never play it. HOWEVER, I know a few guys whoâs going to love this. What kind of corp deck can I make that will spank this deck and send them home considering how to become a better human being? (As in, not play this anymore )
Space Ice is mentioned, so my first reaction would be Titan NA with the entire set. Iâve tested that for a bit, and the deck could comfortably go entire games without ever breaking 5 credits.
HBFA/rush with Campaign econ and enough cheap ETR / Annoying ICE to protect the Campaign
Vigil should normally never fire (install / Creds / Creds if youâre low on econ) and the campaign econ is resilient enough to beat the econ denial part of this deck.
Iâve rezzed for more than 70 creds of ICEs against Reina with my HBFA/Rush deck and still had enough to fast-ad almost all my agendas.
The infamous HBFA/Rush! I finally found a decklist for it (bblumâs from march 8th), but Iâm still waiting on the article. Specifically Iâm uncertain about how you play your ice (build an early game remote for the rush, and then put sansan there for the FA part?).
FA vs lockdown. Not my favorite parts of netrunner
And now I can finally play Greyjoy deck in ANR.
@ulrikdan If I knew what was up with this deck as a corp player my first reaction would be to build up HQ ice and put a Crisium grid/Caprice down on HQ. If they didnât waste the vamp and knew it was one of those upgrades they would be forced to spend a ton of credits getting through the HQ ice, trash the upgrade, and repeat after building up the credits to vamp. That slows this down considerably.
On the other side of the coin, @SamRS suggested a sneakdoor, which would be an excellent and probably unexpected counter to the corp counter, allowing that easy trash. It would still require wasting knights/crecentus on archive ice instead of HQ as desired, but it lets the main strategy work at least.
As people have figured out what this deck is trying to do, Iâve seen a lot of Caprice/Crisium HQ bullshit. Itâs certainly something you can do to keep your head out of the lock, but in the end, if your economy is getting trashed, it doesnât seem to be enough. Unlike Siphon decks, which really rely on getting into HQ, getting the corp to spend a ton of money protecting HQ is good enough for this deck most of the time.
I think the key to beating it is going to be sticking drip economy. If you canât do that, your chances are pretty miserable, I think. Thats why EtF is such a strong choice: built in drip econ, additional great econ is Eve and Adonis, and a good amount of ICE to protect it. I think thats strategy is superior to HQ upgrades. RP can sort of do both, but expensive and easy to Parasite ICE can set you back pretty hard, especially without Sundew going. Caprice HQ isnât enough if you canât pay for her.
Yeah HBFA-rush is probably the worst match-up for this kind of deck. Being able to stick a couple of Adonis behind eli/architect make this match-up really trivial.
Can confirm ash + adonis behind wraparound is some bullshit. Itâs the reason iâm considering running inside job with the influence
A deck that can score from 0 creds reliably and contains dirt-cheap ICE package thatâs pain in the butt to get rid of.
Absolutely this.
Lost a few times with it. Every time, it was HB/NBN/RP with tons of early asset econ.
This is why I run 2 scrubber
I took this to our SC today, unfortunately only 2 of us showed. Several were out of town, working, and I donât think the cities a couple hours away that have big #'s knew.
We ended up playing a bunch of games though.
The version I run only has 1 vamp. 2 scrubber because of what SamRS just said. Scrubber has been the MVP in a lot of the games Iâve played.
Iâve pondered fitting in sneak door, but I donât think Iâve played anyone who really knows how to beat the deck yet. Once people start figuring it out I probably will. Most likely would drop a lucky find and clone chip and toss in the sneakdoor and another deja vu or hades shard.
But I really, really like the setup I have and canât imagine dropping a clone chip. Or a lucky find for that matter.
Itâs so strange that this deck could work at all with such a breaker suite. If they rez a Wall of Static on HQ, then your options are (1) emergency shutdown, eater + crescentus or knifed, parasite without datasucker, or (1) knight? I get that you have parasite to cover small ice and eater / crescentus to cover big ice, but it seems very reliant on the corp meta not involving much ice in between those two extremes. Though at a glance 1) the current corp meta has very little such ice 2) I would bet that a non-eater version of this deck would suck 3) it seems possible that your NEH matchup could be solid. I also wonder how you can ever beat blue sun, especially without datasucker to support parasite.
I guess I will have to try it for myself to see how it plays.
Itâs kind of funny, your goal is just to not let them rez ice, or derez it or kill it if they do, and then have them be too poor to rez it again. It doesnât seem like it should work but corp decks arenât built to rez the same pieces of ICE at +2 cost 3 times, especially when youâre vamping them. They can usually protect either HQ or R&D or a remote and that just isnât enough for them to win.
Hoping to get in some games with an updated build 'round here; like I mentioned earlier in the thread, when I tested a few months ago, corps here have money for days and no problem with purging Lampreys when they see 'em.
Siphon Keyhole Reina has made a bit of a dent here, but Iâm anxious to try this build out again.
Good call. Need to see it. TBH, I have had tons of shite draws with this. #OCTGNhate
The reason for this impression (that it shouldnât work)is that for a long time the schema on what constituted heavy denial was Siphon recursion. But really, that was 6 denial cards (3 siphon, 3 SOT) spread out over a deck, while this deck has a lot more dedicated slots to various forms of denial or econ undoing.
Counting slots we have (in Sams deck):
2xVamp
3xClone chip(also utility, but can recur Parasite/Cresentus/Lamprey)
1xScrubber
2xXanadu
3xCresentus
3xLamprey
3xParasite
and Reina herself.
Thats fifteen slots - a third of the deck! - dedicated to cards whose primary purpose is to hit the corps econ in some way. And then you add Renia.
This deck spends more of itâs slots on econ denial than most decks do on icebreakers+tutors. Itâs accuracy via dakka, except youâre firing misery rather than bullets.
@mykonian played an Andy Headlock build against me tonight, it wasnât fun for me. central suite, triple shutdown, triple crescentus, triple siphon, got vamped once, too. apparently he has lampreys in there, but he still crushed me without them.