The MaxX Thread

GhostLooper · January 10, 2015, 7:57pm

Yeah this deck size discussion was entertaining at first but now I find myself glossing over some of it

Xavi · January 10, 2015, 8:18pm

Alright let’s remedy this problem!

The Monster Maxx (45 cards)
MaxX: Maximum Punk Rock
– Event (24 cards)
3 Déjà Vu
3 Inject
1 Levy AR Lab Access
3 Lucky Find
2 Retrieval Run
3 Steelskin
1 Stimhack
3 Sure Gamble
2 Vamp
3 Wanton Destruction
– Hardware (7 cards)
1 Feedback Filter
3 Grimoire
3 Prepaid VoicePAD
– Program (10 cards)
2 Crypsis
3 Eater
3 Keyhole
2 Magnum Opus
– Resource (4 cards)
1 Hades Shard
3 Same Old Thing

I know Eater is going to face some problems but along with others I’m intrigued by the idea. I have tested it minimally and I think it’s quite fun. I wonder if ppvp is the way to go or if I might as well just run cyberfeeder! Boom discussion! Which one or what could be fixed keeping the theme of the deck. Spoiler alert I’m not increasing deck size, so don’t comment on that.

higgs_bozo · January 10, 2015, 8:43pm

Eater decks are combo decks at their core, which makes me think that MaxX is not the best home for them.

spags · January 10, 2015, 9:06pm

“Some”?!? 10char

anon34370798 · January 10, 2015, 10:35pm

Well I agree to disagree, and I’m reasonable enough not to say everything is wrong beside my very particular way of thinking over this problem.

I’ve got a plan and I know how to achieve it. When cards gets released on OCTGN or irl, I’ll have more to test about this, because all I do is theory craft and there’s no actual proof

bayushi_david · January 10, 2015, 10:44pm

Moving away from deck size…

I think there are two ways to approach MaxX’s ability. One is to take the extra tempo it gives you and play something the is hyper-aggressive, with a high level of redundancy, the ability to recur one or two key components and interchangeability among the rest. Some form of modernised Anatomy of Anarch in other words. Playing Reina tag-me back in the day finding the clicks to draw to keep up the pressure was one of the biggest challenges of the deck. A free draw every turn would have tipped it well over the edge. Things have moved on to the point where that style of deck is no longer in fashion because of asset economies and economy events like Celebrity Gift, but I see some potential in cards like Wanton Destruction and Incubator to possibly resurrect it.

The other is to turn the “disadvantage” of the trashing two cards into an advantage. To do that we need cards that recur from the heap in a way that is adventurous to the runner - to my mind that leaves three cards, Retrieval Run because it can eliminate the costs of expensive programmes (whilst also gaining datasucker tokens, desperado credits or whatever), Clone Chip because it allows you play cards like D4V1D and Parasite as a paid ability, and Scavenge, because it allows you to offset the cost of exhausted Imps/D4V1Ds etc against the recurred programme. Other cards, like Levy, SOT and Deja Vu are fine for what they do, but you are not gaining an advantage by trashing your cards by using, just offseting the disadvantage.

Infinitum · January 10, 2015, 11:01pm

I’d add Power Nap to that list since it essentially allows you to passively gain credits by trashing and overdrawing doubles. 3 Naps and LARLA still leaves 6 influence for CC should you wish it.

kenobob · January 10, 2015, 11:42pm

As for extra tempo, has anyone looked at SlySquid’s version. It’s old (Dec. 4), but he says he’s tested it extensively. He claims it both pressures insanely hard (wins in 8 turns often) and uses the heap as the grip. Check it out, it says “look ma, no Clone Chip” as it uses Retreival Run and Deja with Same Olds for recursion. Box E mitigates the the effects of heavy drug use.

This is an interesting build. Has it been considered and discounted already? I think it adds a lot to the above discussion about recursion and aggression in MaxX.

SlySquids “Mother F****** Deck” v1.1

MaxX: Maximum Punk Rock (Order and Chaos)

Event (29)
2x Account Siphon (Core Set) ••••• •••
3x Amped Up (Order and Chaos)
3x Day Job (Order and Chaos)
3x Dirty Laundry (Creation and Control)
3x Déjà Vu (Core Set)
1x Levy AR Lab Access (Creation and Control) •••
2x Quest Completed (Fear and Loathing)
2x Retrieval Run (Future Proof)
2x Singularity (Double Time)
3x Steelskin (Order and Chaos)
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
2x Wanton Destruction (Order and Chaos)

Hardware (2)
2x Box-E (First Contact) ••

Resource (7)
1x Hades Shard (First Contact) •
3x Joshua B. (Cyber Exodus)
3x Same Old Thing (Creation and Control)

Icebreaker (7)
3x Eater (Order and Chaos)
1x Femme Fatale (Core Set) •
3x Knight (Mala Tempora)

Program (2)
2x Keyhole (True Colors)

15 influence spent (max 15)
47 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Order and Chaos

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

BJester · January 11, 2015, 8:49am

I’ve played around it for a while, and I can say Box-E is a pretty good include. All that brain damage is gonna bother you if you haven’t won before your deck runs out. I think keep running and set-up a big wanton is key. I’d keep the keyhole combo for another runner.

That said, I also had success playing plain old anarch breakers and parasite. Parasite is just too good not to include influence free, even if it’s only one. That does kinda force you to include clone chips, but those aint bad either. I’ll search up the decklist later, but I think similiar decklists have already earlier in the thread

anon34370798 · January 11, 2015, 11:10am

As a final word about MaxX (after this I stop to bother you unless you have questions), I think I’ll play this :

Rivers of Babylon

MaxX: Maximum Punk Rock (Order and Chaos)

Event (24)
3x Dirty Laundry (Creation and Control)
3x Déjà Vu (Core Set)
3x Freelance Coding Contract (Creation and Control) •••
3x Inject (Up and Over)
3x Retrieval Run (Future Proof)
3x Scavenge (Creation and Control) ••••• •
3x Steelskin (Order and Chaos)
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)

Hardware (12)
3x Clone Chip (Creation and Control) ••••• •
3x Cyberfeeder (Core Set)
3x Salvager (Order and Chaos)
3x Spinal Modem (What Lies Ahead)

Resource (15)
3x Armitage Codebusting (Core Set)
3x Daily Casts (Creation and Control)
3x Earthrise Hotel (The Source)
3x Same Old Thing (Creation and Control)
3x Wyldside (Core Set)

Icebreaker (12)
3x Cerberus “Cuj.0” H3 (All That Remains)
3x Corroder (Core Set)
3x Crypsis (Core Set)
3x Eater (Order and Chaos)

Program (15)
3x Datasucker (Core Set)
3x Djinn (Core Set)
3x Hemorrhage (Fear and Loathing)
3x Keyhole (True Colors)
3x Parasite (Core Set)

15 influence spent (max 15)
78 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Order and Chaos

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

Plan is to Keyhole / Hemorage your way up to Archives, removing the cards you don’t like on the way (etr codegates, jacksons, this or that). There you can tutor Parasites for exemple. Before the run on Archive you should be able to tutor Crypsis through Djinn, or reinstall through anything that reinstall from Heap.

For installation you overdraw / trash and call back things you need.

You would do 1/2/3 runs to archives to score depending on the risk/gain you think there is to access there.

CuJ0 because it can pump vs mimic, same price, is better without suckers and sometime better with suckers and can kill Swordsman for the same credit. It’s independant from suckers. So what ?

In this configuration I would deck out around turn 17 I think so unlarlaing is not a real problem I think, actually I think the deck is still too short.
I could add Public Sympathys and Stimhacks to brute force Clone Chip - Crypsis in a final run but people would be yelling at infamy. Anyway it add layers of installation so I wouldn’t care that much if my 5 card draw plan actually fails. It should work sooner than 3x Wyldside or Earthrise in 45 but anyway…

Though about Kati jones vs Magnum Opus, choosed Magnum Opus then replaced by Armitage. Dunno if it’s a good idea but putting scavenge / fcc can be fun here.

All draws on netrunnerdb I did where significally showing me a few breakers without mulliganing so I do really think I have one remaining problem with this deck : need to be testing this now

Fun fact : this song’s year is 78

moistloaf · January 11, 2015, 6:05pm

If MaxX likes one punk/rock band from the early 21st century, what band is it?

Xenasis · January 11, 2015, 6:30pm

I heard on Reddit that the two-fingers-up that MaxX is pictured doing is actually not offensive in America (bizarrely to me) and that it was a British thing (obviously, this is likely due to the big wave of punk in Britain in the 70s). Though it’s not a direct answer to your question and it’s 20th century, this realisation made me picture her as a massive Sex Pistols fan.

Following on from that thought, it’d have to be a band that has even somewhat survived from the 70s, when punk was a big thing, like the Buzzcocks or something.

Ajar · January 11, 2015, 6:34pm

Yeah, in the US and Canada, we just use the middle finger instead of two fingers.

Omer_Rotstain · January 11, 2015, 8:59pm

It’s cool you people experimenting with 90 or so card decks, but let’s be honest, if MaxX becomes competitive, then you won’t see tournament MaxX winning decklists with more than 45 cards. I’d love to be wrong though.

Xenasis · January 11, 2015, 9:01pm

You’ll probably see some lists with >45 cards, but they will be invariably suboptimal.

anon34370798 · January 11, 2015, 9:44pm

Would requote this in 1-2 years

PeekaySK · January 11, 2015, 10:20pm

After spending most of the weekend testing her, I can tell you that in my opinion the sweet spot is definitely between 46 and 49, because of the Levy dynamics and the way card draws work out with Injects. The version I’m liking most so far has 49 cards.

mediohxcore · January 12, 2015, 2:55am

More than 45 doesn’t sound insane to me but it’s probably best to play 45. Playing enough so that you don’t have to play Levy is insane.

McCaber · January 12, 2015, 3:14am

I can see running 47 so after your starting hand your deck is a multiple of 3.

edmund_blake_nelson · January 12, 2015, 6:05am

I played a few matches with the following list
###[Busted runner][1] (45 cards)

[MaxX: Maximum Punk Rock][2]

Event (16)

2 [Day Job][3]
3 [Deja Vu][4]
2 [Dirty Laundry][5]
1 [Levy AR Lab Access][6] •••
2 [Queen’s Gambit][7]
3 [Steelskin][8]
3 [Sure Gamble][9]

Hardware (5)

3 [Clone Chip][10] ••••• •
2 [Grimoire][11]

Resource (8)

3 [Daily Casts][12]
3 [Liberated Account][13]
2 [Same Old Thing][14]

Icebreaker (6)

2 [Corroder][15]
2 [Gordian Blade][16] ••••• •
2 [Mimic][17]

Program (10)

3 [Datasucker][18]
2 [Medium][19]
2 [Nerve Agent][20]
3 [Parasite][21]

I would put SMC valencia as the generally better deck though, Steelskin is a little awkward since we draw so many cards just due to being MaXx, but it still is quite solid. The real issue is that this list plays 2 Same old thing and 3 Deja Vu to reccur the levy if it is discarded. Which has always been a pretty Yucky play to make. That’s sort of the great equalizer that Valencia gets over MaXx, valencia’s ability is worse, but valencia has a better Stimhack game (my maxx doesn’t play stimhack but probably should) and doesn’t have to vomit when she plays Deja vu>Levy.