What's up with Criminal?

[hypomodern]

Yeah, Archangel/Turing/Crick is bad news bears because we’re still all like “code gates? LOLWUT” up in here. WTB even mediocre decoding tools in faction.

Don’t even get me started on Assassins everywhere; I NEED THOSE TOKENS FOR CODEGATES YO ;).

If I could dream for a bit, I’d love more run-based economy (credits or card draw) options; since the game is pushing resource-heavy economies RN Siphon is rough.

Also CVS turns out to be great datasucker hate, I think most of the glaciers I saw ran one. That’s a kick in the ol’ nether regions too.

[Four_Leaf]

P E A C O C K B O Y S

is clearly the answer

@hypomodern

Yeah, Archangel/Turing/Crick is bad news bears because we’re still all like “code gates? LOLWUT” up in here. WTB even mediocre decoding tools in faction.

[clercqie]

6 for archangel and crick, 5 for turing. Passport + Faust is still miles better. Not great, but better.

Anyways, my experience (before D&D) is that if you’re able to keep the Corp under 10 creds, you’re in control. If things spiral out of control, you’ve lost. Don’t let things spiral out of control I guess.

[Four_Leaf]

I think you missed my sarcasm. It’s ok, I still like you

[Ahein]

Anyone tried Multithreader rig in criminals? Those would help collect Testing credits easier. I think the best days for Datasucker rig is finally over. Rig would be something like 1-2 Multithreader, Corroder, Mongoose? and Gordian or Zu. Criminals really need some more tricks to handle ICE rather than normal breaking.

[Four_Leaf]

@bblum has a good bit. The consensus is that it’s good against a lot of things, but terrible against nbn, but this was pre worlds obviously. Apparently it’s god tier since foodcoats is everywhere.

[Dragar]

@linuxmaier

Time was that Criminal won games by punishing the corp whether they rezzed (became too poor to defend everywhere and then got shutdown for their trouble) or didn’t rez (Sec Testing, Gabe, Leela, Datasucker, Bank Job, John Mas, Desperado and Siphon all really love to get through to their target server) and Criminal won by keeping the game in that forked position. Now the corp choice is a lot easier insomuch as they can afford to rez their ICE from turn 1 or 2 onwards unless you get a Siphon in really early. I want a card that rolls back that dynamic a bit and makes rezzing ICE a hard choice for corps again.

I think the game is in a better place now, in many ways. I still think those efficient rig Criminal decks (e.g. Stealth Andromeda) can just utterly crush a lot of corps by insane money generation and just sitting on top of the corp for the first 20+ turns of the game. I don’t think that was good balance.

But corp decks that are running cheap, incredibly taxing ice just makes a mess of Criminals. They probably need some sort of event that trashes some number of ice with a rez cost of less than 3-5. or something of that nature.

[clercqie]

@Dragar

They probably need some sort of event that trashes some number of ice with a rez cost of less than 3-5. or something of that nature.

Shutdown + FAO?

[Dragar]

@clercqie

Shutdown + FAO?

“Take that, Pop-Up Window!”

No, I’m not sure that will work.

[Kesterer]

I’ve been thinking for a while it’d be cool to see a criminal breaker that breaks for free, but can only be used on ice with rez cost 2 or lower.

[Dragar]

Queen’s Gambit all their Brain Trusts!

[hbarsquared]

@Dragar

They probably need some sort of event that trashes some number of ice with a rez cost of less than 3-5. or something of that nature.

Maybe something like a current that makes those code gates more expensive? Something like “As an additional cost to rez ICE, the corp must pay the difference between the rez cost and the strength. Ignore this if the rez cost is equal to or greater than the strength.”

[Danwarr]

@hbarsquared

Maybe something like a current that makes those code gates more expensive? Something like “As an additional cost to rez ICE, the corp must pay the difference between the rez cost and the strength. Ignore this if the rez cost is equal to or greater than the strength.”

What Unscheduled Maintenance should’ve been:

3 cost
4 Inf
This card is not trashed until another current is played or agenda is scored or stolen

At the beginning of the Runner’s turn, the Corp pays 1 for each rezzed piece of Ice.

Have fun paying 1 for those Pop-Ups.

[MasterAir]

That’s vicious. I like it.

[Dragar]

Got that’s brutal. Surely it’s way too strong, but hilarious to imagine!

[Danwarr]

I think it’s on par with Hacktivist Meeting probably?

It totally destroys ABT Decks. (Why do I hate my deck so much?)

It turns on Sec Testing in a way too, I guess, which is cool.

[MasterAir]

My head says the corp has to gain 2-3 or something similar and then pay for unsceduled maintenance. They can trash (maybe derez) their ICE if they don’t want to pay. Seems like an effect worth considering.

[MasterAir]

You could similarly have Hacktivist Meeting for ICE. That hurts similar problems that Criminal are having. (ICE is too cheap to rez).

[Danwarr]

Maybe add an HQ run condition to it as well?

[Dragar]

I think it’s worth comparing to Lamprey. If the corp is losing 3+ credits a turn and they’re broke, they’re never going to get rid of Lamprey or this hypothetical current. That’s why Lamprey had to go away with a Purge, or it would be utterly broken.

Trashing all your rezzed ice is surely more a tempo hit than Purging, and the effect is stronger than Lamprey. So it is, to my mind, way too strong even with a run on HQ required.