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Archetypes for core+boxes


#1

What are the archetypes for all factons/identities(except NBN) just using core and boxes so far (since they will forever exist)?

EDIT: By boxes I mean Deluxe boxes.


#2

This might be a good place to start.


#3

Well, most of the decks rely on some key cards which are from data packs. For example only using core+boxes we cannot have RP or NEH decks, or ppvp or JH.


#4

Is this a format people play in?

In every setting I know of, casual to competitive, a wide variety of the most powerful and important cards are from data packs (Jackson, RDI, eli, NAPD, beale, caprice, blue sun, NEH, lady, earthrise… the list goes on and on and on). Bad news is, many of these gamer changing cards are from just a few of the packs, which are now “awaiting reprint” and thus remaining copies are becoming quite pricey.

TLDR is, if you want to play in a restricted format like this (besdies core only, which there is a small following for) you’re gonna have to make your own decks.


#5

I actually think this is a really relevant question for newer players because of the limited availability of some of the vital, early data packs (Opening Moves, Future Proof). It would be cool to be able to recommend a deck archetype for newer players who want to be competitive with only the core set and deluxe boxes.

First thing that comes to mind: Andysucker is mostly core cards and Honor and Profit. Could easily make a viable build without resorting to data packs.


#6

and of course Andy is in a pack. Wow, really thought that through.


#7

that’s what I mean though: I don’t know that there are any archetypes out there being played by regular players that don’t at least have one or two very key pieces from a data pack. Not to say that you can’t build any deck at all with these restrictions, just that no one’s bothered to yet.

[quote=“phette23, post:5, topic:4387”]
I actually think this is a really relevant question for newer players because of the limited availability of some of the vital, early data packs (Opening Moves, Future Proof).
[/quote]this is a really huge point, and a big reason why I think the community needs to move towards allowing/being ok with proxies (even if only for these packs). I feel like even in relatively casual play it’s pretty unreasonable to expect players to just “make do” without Jackson and other archetype-critical cards that are in these packs.


#8

I have yet to see anyone disallow a proxy. Can anyone here honestly say they’ve never accessed a PSF with “NAPD” crudely sharpied on there?

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a few other threads asking about what data packs beginners should start with, but I don’t think I’ve ever even heard of anyone playing just core and big boxes.


#9

I think there are workable builds around for the runners, definitely. You could get a pretty solid RegAss MaxX going with 2 cores and each of the bigboxes imo. Corps are tougher, but I would be surprised if you could’nt do a sort of Weyland rush deck going out of Titan or Argus or an NBN FA of some description. FWIW. Not by any means optimal but should give you a solid game:

Big Box MaxX

MaxX: Maximum Punk Rock (Order and Chaos)

Event (17)

Hardware (5)

Resource (10)

Icebreaker (6)

Program (7)

15 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Order and Chaos

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.


#10

I was thinking about this today and literally just moments ago tried to build Reg-Ass MaxX out of the big boxes. I think it’s probably the closest you can get to any archetype, but the lack of Liberated Account and Kati Jones really hurts the economy. Still, the breaker suite, hardware, and events are pretty much unchanged.

Anyways, my take’s below. Econ is a bit different; I forgot about Armitage, which is probably the right call here. A single MOpus might make sense, too.

Reg-Ass MaxX — Core Set & Deluxe Boxes Only

MaxX: Maximum Punk Rock (Order and Chaos)

Event (19)

Hardware (5)

Resource (6)

Icebreaker (6)

Program (9)

15 influence spent (max 15)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Order and Chaos

Decklist published on NetrunnerDB.


#11

Arg, you always miss something. Minus one ZU.13 and Bank Job, plus one Gordian Blade and Easy Mark maybe.


#12

Imp too. Though What Lies Ahead is pretty easy to find, and Imp is a magnificent card for anarchs.


#13

There’s always NBN FA. Astro, SanSan, and Biotic are still a pretty solid foundation out of Making News, and no there’s Clot to stop you.

I guess there’s The Source?


#14

It then suffers from the problem of Atlas train, which is it falls apart when someone steals the astro, because then you have to slow-roll the rest of your agendas.


#15

Someone organised a Core+Boxes tournament around PAX AUS last year as a more newbie-friendly comp.

I think you could do a pretty nasty Siphon-spam Gabe list, since a lot of the powerful corp econ is in packs.


#16

That’s a cool idea for tournament! I think the original idea of the thread is to make reasonable decks for normal tournaments, but these sorts of events will help people get into the game much easier for sure.


#17

yeah, that’s what I was asking originally- if it’s a seperate format people are agreeing to to be more inclusive, awesome, sounds fun- there’d be a lot of crazy stuff to try!

I got the sense though that the Op was looking for archetypes for regular play that just happen to not really need any datapack cards - which imo is not really a thing.


#18

Concerning Corps, without Jackson, you either have to avoid the agenda flood as much as possible or embrace the variance with an ID that can make due with losing agendas. Decks with the best agenda density can be found in Redcoats and a lot of Cambridge is from the big boxes, which contains many agendas. A warped version of Transmodernism could be possible from the deluxe boxes as well (but I’d go for the other two first). As far as the OP is concerned, archetypes using only big boxes just don’t exist at this time. The cycles are there to be used. :wink:


#19

You don’t have Beale, though, which makes FA a lot harder to pull off. I think you’re better off going for some kind of NBN never advance deck that doesn’t mind scoring 4/2s on the regular. In fact, the agenda pool for NBN when you take out the packs is atrocious. I guess they can use Gila Hands instead of one of the Priority Requisitions?


#20

After tweaking some decks around for a bit, it seems that Cambridge has to change the least from its original form (compared to the other two mentioned before). SanSan came from a variant I saw at my FLGS and it was plenty helpful with scoring those 3/1s. Determining which agenda to take Fetal AI’s spot is the trickiest. Nisei for stopping the runner is pretty standard, but unnecessary considering stopping the run isn’t the most important thing. Private Security Force can take advantage of Snare’s tag, so if you want to play a more aggressive kill style, then I’d recommend this one. I settled on Medical Breakthrough since it is able to be scored out of hand with SanSan after another is scored/stolen. That makes things a little faster.

[URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/jinteki-core]Jinteki: Personal Evolution[/URL] (49 Cards)

Agenda (12)
3 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/gila-hands-arcology-creation-and-control]Gila Hands Arcology[/URL]
3 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/house-of-knives-honor-and-profit]House of Knives[/URL]
3 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/medical-breakthrough-honor-and-profit]Medical Breakthrough[/URL]
1 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/philotic-entanglement-honor-and-profit]Philotic Entanglement[/URL]
2 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/the-future-perfect-honor-and-profit]The Future Perfect[/URL]

Asset (16)
3 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/cerebral-overwriter-creation-and-control]Cerebral Overwriter[/URL]••••• •
2 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/melange-mining-corp-core]Melange Mining Corp[/URL]
2 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/project-junebug-core]Project Junebug[/URL]
3 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/psychic-field-honor-and-profit]Psychic Field[/URL]
1 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/shi-kyu-honor-and-profit]Shi.Kyu[/URL]
3 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/snare-core]Snare![/URL]
2 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/zaibatsu-loyalty-core]Zaibatsu Loyalty[/URL]

Upgrade (1)
1 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/sansan-city-grid-core]SanSan City Grid[/URL]•••

Operation (11)
2 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/diversified-portfolio-honor-and-profit]Diversified Portfolio[/URL]
3 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/hedge-fund-core]Hedge Fund[/URL]
3 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/mushin-no-shin-honor-and-profit]Mushin No Shin[/URL]
2 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/neural-emp-core]Neural EMP[/URL]
1 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/scorched-earth-core]Scorched Earth[/URL]••••

Barrier (3)
2 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/ice-wall-core]Ice Wall[/URL]••
1 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/wall-of-static-core]Wall of Static[/URL]

Code Gate (3)
3 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/enigma-core]Enigma[/URL]

Sentry (3)
3 [URL=http://netrunner.meteor.com/card/pup-honor-and-profit]Pup[/URL]

Not too shabby for just big boxes.