[Devils Cake] - MaxX Faust Decks With Wyldside

Deck Archetypes
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Wow, strike-out. My apologies. Pre-coffee post.

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I may be over-relying on Faust (and I tend to keep Inject in my builds, which further burns through the deck), but I play the second Levy fairly often, Iā€™d say almost half my games. No joke, I considered putting in a third.

The FA matchup isnā€™t that bad really, with Legwork and Makerā€™s you can pressure centrals pretty heavily and NEHā€™s ICE is sort of garbage these days if theyā€™ve kept most of the useful FA tools. If youā€™re really concerned about the matchup, Turntable, Scrubber (for SanSan), Imp (for SanSan and Biotic) are cards you should be looking at.

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FA is probably better off just trying to be fast and score out like you say, but HB glacier might toss a chronos project in and a Biotic Labor (which is not an awful card in glacier for sealing games out) if the deck becomes super prevalent. Could be a decent reason to Levy early at certain times.

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Chronos Project is definitely my greatest fear with the deck. If too many people start playing it, CP will make a comeback. MaxX is has such a powerful runner ability but she also has the absolute worst hard counters available in CP and, to a lesser extent, Blacklist.

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Achievement unlocked with her, 6 monthes ago : MaxX / Faust / Wyldside vs PE : 0 cards in hand, 0 cards on stack, less than 10 cards in heap, Blacklist running. Been in a better situation.

Entering yolo mode : I steal a last time and win :slight_smile:

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Yeah, CP is kind of a lazy include in a few decks. It does worry me a bit, but the best deck to put it in is PE, and on the whole we have a pretty good PE matchup and could tech for it if we needed to. PE is best because its dangerous enough you might not check every remote and it doesnā€™t require as many resources to pull off. FA decks as stated earlier could use it most effectively, but wonā€™t because itā€™ll hurt their primary mission. And glacier decks could attempt to do it but given how often we can get in theyā€™d have to protect it pretty hard to win.

I feel like with things like THE FUN ENDS HERE and APOCALYPSE running around, CP is fine, but not a primary tech include. And FA already has to tech for clot. And crisium grid for all of the siphoning thatā€™s going around right now. I expect some people to slot CP, but them finding it and having the window might cost me a game during any one tournament, I might be willing to gamble on that. RP with CP is probably the scariest after PE?

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You can have cakes in green too. And you can eat them in way nicer place than some seedy club on the moon :smile:

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Hilarious ! :smiley:

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I like Party Cakes in Shaper. Paired up with Game Day you can get some serious draw.

Of course I do it all to power Faust. Faust is life.

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Hereā€™s my current thinking, 3-1-0 at a GNK today (draw was 0-0, no time). Everybody played MWL legal decks & I saw four HB NEXT ICE decks. If that keeps up, Iā€™m going back to 3x Parasite, I donā€™t care what I have to cut.

Scrubber was great, never used Turntableā€™s ability, Yog smashed a bunch of Turing on centrals which everybody knows to do by now. I was curious about Retrieval Run after seeing it in @Sumodoā€™s list and it might be better recursion than Deja Vu (usually more efficient especially for Yog, can net a Datasucker token, too). The ICE destruction choices here are silly and I would change them. +1 Knifed -1 Immo Script (which seems so cool but never works) for a start, maybe -1 Run Amok depending on how it goes.

When the Levy Breaksā€¦ 2.3

MaxX: Maximum Punk Rock (Order and Chaos)

Event (20)

Hardware (2)

Resource (15)

Icebreaker (6)

Program (4)

13 influence spent (max 15-2ā˜†=13)
47 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Kala Ghoda

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

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As someone new to this archetype, I took gumshoeā€™s deck, cut the dirty laundrys, demolition run (seemed situational and more ā€œniceā€ than necessary) and ice carver (negative synergy with d4v1d). So far Iā€™m enjoying it, but what are thoughts on cutting the NRE and maybe you or a career fair for a third levy?

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Iā€™ve never needed a 3rd levy except in one blue sun game where Iā€™m pretty sure I played poorly. Ice Carver and or NRE helps with troublesome ice or against builds with very high ice strengths across the board. Theyā€™re also more for the glacier matchup. So, if youā€™re not running into the kind of decks where you need that, keep the tech in your back pocket and cut it for now. I also think youā€™re heading towards a build with too little econ. Altogether you may be relying on faust a tad too much.

@phette23 Thatā€™s looking very reasonable. I think I agree that the ice destruction doesnā€™t look great. My experience is that usually medium is enough and you donā€™t need makerā€™s, so thatā€™s probably where Iā€™d get parasite 1&2. Parasite is just too good for me to consider dropping. It does make deja vu more desirable though, and grimoire too unfortunately. choices

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Cutting Makerā€™s for Parasites is definitely worth consideration. It feels pretty great to me to not need extra MU or reliance on a virus for multi-access though, and Makerā€™s is so much easier to recur with the SoTs, I rarely install Medium. But the list could pivot (& probably get a better glacier matchup) like so:

  • -1 Makerā€™s, -1 Run Amok
  • +2 Parasite
  • -2 Turntable
  • +2 Grimoire

and consider a way to sneak in a second Medium. I think Iā€™d still keep Retrieval Run in this scenario just for the efficiency.

Third Levy is excessive & wonā€™t be played in many games. Iā€™ve had games where Iā€™ve needed it but it always came down to terrible luck (all agendas at the bottom of the deck) or misplays on my part.

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Also random Parasite observation: the difference between a non-instant speed Parasite coming out with zero virus tokens as opposed to one (from Grimoire) is pretty small but got a bit bigger. There arenā€™t many one-strength ICE being played, but MWL has increased the number of Komainu, NEXT Silver, & Galahad in my estimation, all of which tax Faust quite badly. By contrast, Pup and Popup Window alone are ubiquitous enough to make zero-strength ICE more common, with Rototurret, Tour Guide, & Yagura all seeing a bit more play post-MWL.

Thatā€™s just in terms of insta-trashing ICE, obviously having to wait one fewer turn or use one fewer Datasucker token can be important in games.

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Yeah; Parasite is part of the reason I run carver & grimoire. It puts all ice str 2 or less within a turn of dealing with, and it makes getting str 3 & 4 ice with sucker a bit easier. Which is important since you canā€™t instant speed and that means more time to wait and or more time for the corp to respond.

Still youā€™re fighting with d4 potentially. Iā€™m not sure what the right move is, but if youā€™re seeing a lot of NEXT, then you definately want parasite or need to kill it on sight with any cutlery you have access to. Mostly just the silvers though. Bronze & Gold are fairly easy to deal with. Gold is only really a problem with batty.

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I have been seeing more Chronos out of Jinteki and HB.

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We have no comment on this matter :wink:

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Truth. Ran my first MWL GNK yesterday and saw quite a bit of it throughout the day. Had one happen to my Maxx with all but about 10 cards left in my stack/grip and only a Faust on the board. Luckily the Yog/Corroder/Mimic had all been chilling with my hand for the past 6 turns :smiley:

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As a diehard RegAss fan I still got to say this deck is beast.Enough cake bullshit.

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If Iā€™d want to come back to 45 cards + 2 Larla, updating my old list to MWL, I would do this.
I forgot I was runnning 3x Peddlers in the old list (step on it, I said :slight_smile: ), that may must be the main reason why I had to put 3x Larla or 2x Larla + 57 cards, or die.

Girls Just Want to Have Fun - v2

MaxX: Maximum Punk Rock (Order and Chaos)

Event (11)
3x DĆ©jĆ  Vu (Core Set)
3x Iā€™ve Had Worse (Order and Chaos)
2x Levy AR Lab Access (Creation and Control) ā€¢ā€¢ā€¢ā€¢ā€¢ ā€¢
3x Queenā€™s Gambit (Double Time)

Hardware (4)
1x Brain Cage (Chrome City)
1x Clone Chip (Creation and Control) ā˜† ā€¢ā€¢
2x Grimoire (Core Set)

Resource (15)
2x Adjusted Chronotype (The Valley)
3x Daily Casts (Creation and Control)
2x Kati Jones (Humanityā€™s Shadow)
3x Liberated Account (Trace Amount)
1x Same Old Thing (Creation and Control)
1x Utopia Shard (All That Remains) ā€¢
3x Wyldside (Core Set)

Icebreaker (6)
1x Corroder (Core Set)
3x Faust (The Underway)
1x Mimic (Core Set)
1x ZU.13 Key Master (What Lies Ahead) ā€¢ā€¢

Program (9)
1x D4v1d (The Spaces Between)
2x Datasucker (Core Set)
1x Imp (What Lies Ahead)
1x Medium (Core Set)
1x Nerve Agent (Cyber Exodus)
3x Parasite (Core Set) ā˜†ā˜†ā˜†

11 influence spent (max 15-4ā˜†=11)
45 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Underway

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

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