E. Kim Appreciation Thread

I’ve been running a modified Whizz deck for my league lately, L4J4Cheap - 1st Place GLG Anarch/Jinteki · NetrunnerDB swapping a David for a Scrubber, which so far hasn’t seen play. After a few rounds I’m feeling another similar deck swapping Zul’s for an Atman and other 1 inf object. For whiz Zul is good for getting out and making a run on a lighter server to trash an asset, as if they devote too much into a single asset it’s a loss as well, but Operations can only exist in the centrals, and an Atman/Yog lock much nicer than Zul for gates. I find getting money a larger issue.

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I’ve been doing this for a while, it’s great. Also useful for deleting Caprice, Jackson, and Snares.

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Yeah I’m liking the idea of Archives Interface putting a stop to Team Sponsorship decks. Scrubber x2 is definitely necessary to compete against asset spam decks too. Putting a list back together now.

Scrubber is something I need to learn to play better, but it’s been a hard cal on what to cut to include it. Money is always a hard issue I find to work with. Or that I’m just to thirsty on running.

Course, now I feel like archives interface just to get me to remember to run archives .

it’s just an overall good idea to threaten archives with any runner. Datasucker is anarchs traditional means but in truth it’s only a soft threat as it’s done to set up another card. Archives interface is nice but I am skeptical of using it with Kim.

I look at it this way: If you are concerned with Team Sponsership then you are including extra money or imp to get rid of them. So if you’re getting rid of them why pile on further by removing what a trashed Team Sponsorship might have retrieved? That card slot could have been dedicated to getting you past ICE that is protecting an asset (such as TS) so you can trash it. I do not know many corporation decks that are concerned with the runner repeatedly spamming archives to remove cards that may have been useful as it means they drastically reducing pressure on their other servers.

When looking at it in regards to your ability there is a very small number of cards you will benefit from removing. This is why I would really try to make Sneakdoor Beta work. It gets you into HQ where the nasty operations are hiding, waiting to be used. It is not bothered at all by CVS so the corporation is forced to spread their ICE out, keeping it thinner for you. Corporations with important operations (such as Biotic or Scorch) utilize Jackson’s to dig them up. Since you are Kim you dilute the effectiveness of this tactic IF you are able to get those operations into archives (opposed to the idea of hoping a jackson finds its way into archives for you to remove from the game).

these are just my thoughts for you to bounce your own off of.

Have fun and let us know how it goes :smile:

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I find it might be useful in a world where Jackson gets those operations back. CVS is an issue too.

Right. Jacky McSlappy is forced to divide his attention between critical operation cards and agendas instead of just spamming through RnD to get those operation cards and safely tossing unwanted agendas into archives. You see what i’m saying? That archives interface card-slot can be more effectively allocated to something else (like getting into HQ, you’re most important function). Otherwise you’re piling cards in your own slots to focus on ~4-6 cards in a 49 card corp deck.

Why is CVS the bane of your existence if your Kim? You don’t lean on clot as much as other ID’s. You need to terrorize HQ so that when they draw a Biotic you make it go away. I like it when I use archives interface to get rid of CVS too. I’m using it in Noise for fun right now. Noise is a whole different animal however because your ID ability launches more shiny’s into archives.

I just wanted to counterpoint. Won’t bother you more on it.

The only argument for Archives Interface is fun

Sneakdoor is cool, but it’s just so damn memory and influence intensive. It’s hard to justify sneakdoor over say, an SMC.

This is upside down - Imp over scrubber is probably a mistake in Kim.

Nah, focusing on HQ to much is overnarrow.

Archives Interface isn’t a oneshot hate card that’s because of CVS, it’s just one function of the card. Deleting Shocks, Snares, and Caprices versus Jinteki is another. Removing a trashed Jackson is another. Removing kill combo pieces is yet another.

My other idea was Cyberfeeder

My opinion:

Imp over scrubber is never a mistake outside of val. You can pray to draw multiple scrubbers when faced with asset spamming or you can use your recursion on imps to adapt to your current situation.

HQ is most certainly where Kim wants to be. Whether or not an operation is top-decked from RnD is luck. Operations waiting in HQ for the right moment is design.

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Top-decking stuff from R&D is easier when you can Imp the ICE out of the way on the previous run too! Between his ability trashing operations and Imp tokens trashing ICE or very high cost assets/upgrades, I’m not sure you need any more R&D threat with Edward. I think it’s enough in itself so that the rest of your efforts can go towards hammering HQ.

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Ah - if you’re running a mountain of recursion, then maybe. Really, though, imp is another memory to juggle, isn’t needed to hit operations, and provides very finite econ. Scrubber is often going to provide enough value.

As for HQ - focusing on HQ in Kim is kinda like tunnel visoning on Archives with Noise -
it’s overemphasizing your strengths. Sure, Kim hitting HQ is great, but you don’t need to focus on it that much.

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Getting solutions to more ice in a single server is an Anarch issue I find.

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I guess I don’t understand your comparison. You don’t need to make runs on archives to make it a threat with noise so you dont bother until it makes sense. This is Kim so if you’re not using your ability then why are you Kim at all? I just find it strange that someone would elect to play an ID that is nothing more than a straight up foil and then not attempt to commit to some foiling.

I appreciate that you personally prefer scrubber because you like to keep your mu tight. I simply disagree on whether a scrubber or two, after a handful of games, will come close to having the same value as imp. Regarding Kim that is.

I think if you see Imp as simply an economy card to save yourself the credit trash cost of assets/upgrades then absolutely Scrubber has many advantages.

The primary benefit of Imp as I see it is to remove non-trashable cards (ICE, operations after the first, agendas rarely) on access in HQ/R&D for a couple of reasons:

  1. To remove the card itself (!)
  2. To thin the hand/expose more cards ready for your next access.

That second point is especially pertinent for Edward Kim who is already thinning out operations through his ability. It has to be said my current Edward Kim deck is fundamentally based around Imp-Progenitor-Virus Breeding Ground for eternal Imps (extra fun with Gang Sign). If you don’t see the point of the hand-thinning utility of Imp as that doesn’t mesh with the idea for your particular deck, maybe it doesn’t look so good as simply a credit-saving card?

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Well I can say between Scrubber and Imp I have a less of an issue installing Imp outright over waiting for the right time for Scrubber.

Playing imp over scrubber in a world with team turtles and 2x CVS is ridiculous.

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Moot seeing as how playing Kim falls under the same logic :wink:

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