Yeah they’ve got Checkpoint and Iress too
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Before anyone gets too excited about BoN, the counter was already printed and it’s called Muresh Bodysuit. Not only does it basically blank your ID, it helps protect against other meat damage
And will rotate next year 
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If I can force my opponent to play Muresh Bodysuit, I’ll have won the moral victory
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Yeah, but the ice that don’t end the run are things like Burke Bugs, Ireress, Lycan, Salvage, Searchlight…
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I agree with you totally, maybe these cards should get more than an inch of support…
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I made a count of playable weyland ICE (and some of that was a big stretch to be honest) and I got:
Total ICE count: 32
Unplayable: 14
Playable: 18 of which ETR: 13
For reference the 5 non-ETR which I classified as vaguely playable (i.e. not total garbage) were Wormhole, Wendigo, Errand Boy, Shadow & Taurus. None of which see play competitively.
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My point was that you don’t really want non-etr ice, you want punishing ice.
I’ve not really played Weyland too much, but in rush decks I think Errand Boy is great. Easily worth the import cost into rush Jinteki or NBN in my eyes.
Is there any reason Weyland is different?
(Yes, yes, dies to Parasite. So does half the game…)
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Its basically architect (4-cost multisub gearcheck sentry that benefits you and doesn’t hurt the runner) but easily trashable vs immune to trashing; much less impactful subroutines, and relatively easy to ignore on a Hail Mary run. If there’s no link around Caduceus is easily better (pays back cost and ETR).
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Errand Boy simply doesn’t work in practice. The first time they run it you’ll get three credits in return, meaning you spent one credit for no actual gain. And every time after that they’ll either break it (Making it a worse Spiderweb), Parasite it (Which hurts) or simply ignore it because they win the game that turn.
If it pressented a dilemma to the runner between breaking it and not (Eg. it had Strenght 3), it would be useful. But as it stands, I love what the card stands for but it doesn’t really work.
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That and it’s in the same faction as Caduceus, which usually does the job better and for cheaper (and can actually ETR occasionally).
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In a rush deck, I don’t see a lack of ETR as an issue. For remotes, yes. For centrals, I’d commonly rather have the choice of three credits/cards in exchange for an access.
I suppose if you’re going big on bad pub in Weyland it’d be less useful.
For a rush deck, a high percentage of your ICE should ETR. Not necessarily ALL of it (Grim/Cobra still get played, for instance) but the reason you want this is so that you can get an ICE to rush behind quickly. You also aren’t interested in taxing the runner and you shouldn’t be interested in Errand Boy’s subs firing (you should be able to draw/get creds easily enough without it).
So Errand Boy is in that weird Unplayable area where it doesn’t do anything that Rush wants, and doesn’t tax enough for Glacier.
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you can also draw with Errand Boy, so it’s not exactly a cut-and-dry comparison on credits
(i’m not saying Errand Boy is super good, just saying that we should at least evaluate everything it can do)
Yeah, the best bit is the flexibility. Haven’t got what you need? Draw. Already got stuff? Free creds!
The Spiderweb comparison is apt if the Runner breaks it (sub effect doesn’t matter then), so we’re only really fussed about when they don’t break it. And in that case between Errand Boy or ETR, I’d rather draw/money up in exchange for a central access.
Sure, but they will except when it benefits them. That is, they will break it until they can hammer you with Medium, in when case card draw is suicidal and credits do you no good.
All of you are right. It should have flexibility. It should be allow you to get your economy going in exchange of central accesses. Yet, when I actually put it on my deck, it never works out!
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Is it just me, or does anyone else feel that the shaper this cycle is gonna be Fakespeare?
I’m really curious to see what his ability/flavour cards would be if that was the case.
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I used to think the same thing, but when I have imported it into NBN or Jinteki, I’ve found that Rototurret is pretty much always better (same cost, better subs, ETR). I really want to like Errand Boy, but as othes have said, the math just doesn’t work out on it.
Cortex Lock is my favorite Rush ICE (cheap, and can flatline by itself), but becomes irrelevant by mid-game.
I think Errand Boy is meant for a rushy Blue Sun deck, where it can actually make you credits or draw you cards.
(Also saying its not the best, but I don’t think I have seen anyone try that archetype).
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