I’ve literally never looked at an opening hand for RP and thought “I wish I had higher agenda density in both this HQ and the remainder of my deck”.
I’ve played 45 card decks a long time ago and there are just agendas everywhere. The Runner needs fewer random accesses to win, so you better lock them out early and end the game early. You need to score agendas early or they’ll just pile up in HQ whether you Jackson or not.
There might be a GRNDL deck that can pull off 45 cards by rushing out money-generating agendas, with the upside of increased turn 1 Restructure, earlier to find Punitives or Scorch, etc etc. I’d love to see it work.
I think you can make a case for power shutdown CI and Astrobiotics. Probably not a particularly strong case. Weyland kill decks typically have to rely on operations and ICE being untrashable in one or both of their centrals so they can build a remote before the runner can run it.
For Astrobiotics (and rush in general), if you take a 45 card list and add Fast Tracks and money that’s going to be better than offering the Runner higher density on the R&D lottery.
For Shutdown CI, once you put all your combo slots and then your draw and economy, you’re already at 49 cards.
Anyway, since this is the RP thread let’s just say that as @mediohxcore would put it, 45 cards RP is “100% wrong”.
Agreed, but I don’t think you can honestly say 54 cards RP with 9 Agenda is 100% wrong. I’m not sure if it’s better or worse than 49, but I give it a chance at the moment. And the argument that I dilute my good cards isn’t enough for me
Tried the 9 agendas / 54 cards (in HB) and faced more than once the following problem : scoring windows and no agenda to leverage it into actual points.
I think adding fast track in this case is probably a good idea. Let us known how it works for you
It should be. The 50-54th cards in RP are much, much worse. In particular, Gift, Hedge, Jackson, and Sundew are way too good to pass on maximum relative copies. Just as many games as RP are lost because you got flooded before finding Jackson or you couldn’t solidify early Sundew advantage.
This suggests I’m dead wrong about the Fetal I guess, but it looks like the 8 agenda suite is totally reasonable, (I think NAPD is better than fetal there though). You’re essentially giving up NAPDx2 for a little more safety. It’s probably good.
Still, you kind of have to consider that RP is drawing a lot early and shuffling a bunch of agendas back in. What if you ran the same sim but considered a 40-card deck? Does that make any difference whatsoever?
I feel like 54 cards is too much of a disad to ever justify. You would need like, 20%+ better accesses before it made sense, and it’d be surprised if you could even get marginally better than 33332222, (youd have to play 33333322 which only leaves 2 nisei for 54 to even make sense point-wise, or drop to 2 TFP, at which point you’re better off with 2 TFP 7 2-pointers).
The main question I think we need to answer is whether giving up 2 NAPD for a hades is a good tradeoff. You don’t tax the runner on accesses as well, but you gain a good deal in access protection and a whole extra nonagenda card slot. It keeps looking better and better. I am going to switch over. Well played @pacer
Fwiw looking at my list, I would definitely switch the reversed accounts for an Eli or wraparound depending on how much Eater I was expecting. I thought it would do more than it did-wasn’t bad but cheap ice is probably better. I ran this version for awhile with an Aggressive Secretary but I found that usually the scoring server was too daunting for them to run anyway. Also it’s just as hard for the Corp to lose a caprice game than it is for the runner to win I loved blacklist. The static was a very interesting include. It was originally in there to counter hacktivist which I never saw but really did work in a few matchups. DBS is the best asset in the deck. I really love Crick. 2 is probably the right number but I am considering 3. It proved itself to me whenever I used it over a non-archive server. 2 credit tax for one cost that isn’t immediately parasited away. Ashigaru can be something else, wall of thorns, wall of static, almost anything else-it just doesn’t do enough in a lot of games
Yeah, I am going to try out 1 Blacklist 1 DBS 1 Exec boot camp in my list. I think 3 Eli is still right, I don’t like C. Static, (I feel like it’s just going to do nothing way too often and don’t think hacktivist demands a counter), and I don’t like Markus or any trap really. I think 1 Exec Boot camp could justify itself just because of how hard RP leans on both Sundew and Jackson if you’re running a Blacklist, since it’s one of those cards that can be effectively tutored up to shut the runner out at the right time.
I really want to be playing 3 Eli 1 Ash 2 Tollbooth and 3 Jackson leaving 3 free influence for 1 DBS 1 Exec 1 Blacklist, but I could see 2nd DBS just being better than the bootcamp, or playing 1 Crisium.
Yeah I’ve been trying Bootcamp recently too. It’s good because it can fetch Sundew in the worst case, and has game against Vamp. Fetching Blacklist is the thing that makes it very good, though.
Is the Hades Fragment mostly for Noise protection, which can be an RP weakness? I can see a case made for Utopia Fragment as well. Although you probably are actually scoring it and activating the ability only rarely.
I loved blacklist. The static was a very interesting include. It was originally in there to counter hacktivist which I never saw but really did work in a few matchups. DBS is the best asset in the deck. I really love Crick. 2 is probably the right number but I am considering 3. It proved itself to me whenever I used it over a non-archive server. 2 credit tax for one cost that isn’t immediately parasited away. Ashigaru can be something else, wall of thorns, wall of static, almost anything else-it just doesn’t do enough in a lot of games