Many will disagree, but Gabe.
Fe: Peekay
On the flipside, thereās really nothing more annoying than super zippy players. Calm down man, calm down.
(thatās me speaking to captain zip, not to you personally)
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Even if RP blacklist her ? :-/
You could play Noise, I beat both RP decks I faced at Tulsa over the weekend. From a playing RP standpoint, I know headlock will be a tough matchup and Kate is always good. I feel if you really wanted to tech against RP youād probably want a wizard build with siphon/vamp. You could go super crazy and try Donut in it as well 
I think blacklist in RP is really good, it hurts both Kate and Maxx a lot, can put headlock in a bind, most Noise decks are hurt as well, and hurts any other shaper to varying degrees. Itās really only dead against criminals not running SOT. I could be wrong just my two cents. Iām also the one playing Hades Fragment instead of NAPD, so take that for what itās worth.
Do you think the extra card slot is good enough to warrant being more vulnerable to accesses? Also, do you think Blacklist is a better tech card than Crisium Grid if you had to pick?
The agenda density drops by around 11% and itās definitely a risk vs reward, I canāt say one is more correct than the other, but I will say I havenāt lost a game when Iāve scored a fragment. I think blacklist is better vs Kate and Crissium vs headlock but I think the kate matchup is tougher. That might be due to always playing Ahmed and heās really good.
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From a theory point of view, which is more vulnerable: 8 agendas-no NAPDs or 9 agendas 2-3 NAPDs?
Good question. I suspect that the 20-point 9 Agenda suites are slightly less vulnerable even if you donāt consider NAPD, but its probably pretty close, and I could be totally wrong. Another thing to consider is variance; if you play 8 agendas, youāre more vulnerable to a 2-TFP package to losing a psi game and generally pretty vulnerable to losing the Fragment.
Iāll see if I canāt get Geoff @hollis to run the numbers. If the 8-Agenda package turns out to be significantly less vulnerable, itās probably a good switch. Iāll run things for different values of TFP%, (I think the runner is around 35-50% to get a seen TFP between reaccess, credit denial, and Imp).
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The more I think about it the more reasonable it sounds actually.
Iām currently running 54 cards with 9 Agenda 4x 5/3 and 2 Napd
I feel like the deck is more coherent with 54 cards, for example 1 crisium is not enough because you generally donāt see it when you need it, and 2 is too much, so 2 in 54 cards seems a good compromise.
Youāve also quite seriously reduced your chances of drawing Sundew, Caprice and Celebrity Gift
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I added 1x Tech Startup for the asset DBS / Blacklist / Sundew / Jackson as neededā¦ and as you complete the deck with other economy, itās not a big deal for celebrity gift but itās true for Caprice.
That alternative economy is still likely to be worse than Celebrity Gift, so even if you compensate, your deck will be performing worse. Tech Startup is still worse than just having Sundew (though I recognise its flexibility). Once you need to start including cards you wouldnāt want if you werenāt running 54 cards you can be pretty sure that it isnāt a good idea. RP just isnāt the deck for 54 cards because some of its cards are so much better than others.
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Playing 54 cards in corp glacier deck is a French thing. The same way their HB glacier play 54 cards for years
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I ran a script to estimate the average number of agenda hits required for the runner to win with the following assumptions (made for convenience):
- All non-TFP agendas are automatically scored regardless of additional costs
- All TFPs are scored one third of the time
- All unscored TFPs are shuffled back into the remaining agenda pool with no bias for future access
The results are:
2 TFP, 7 two-pointers: 4.51 hits
3 TFP, 6 two-pointers: 4.81 hits
3 TFP, 1 three-pointer, 4 two-pointers: 4.47 hits (equiv. 5.03)
3 TFP, 1 one-pointer, 5 two-pointers: 4.60 hits
This would suggest that the 8-agenda suite is more resilient to accesses though there are obviously a number of confounding factors involved in real games.
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Joe Held made top 16 at Worlds 2014 with a 54 cards RP, so itās not just a French thing 
If some cards are so much better why not playing it with 45 cards ?
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As a general rule, I do run ācomboā corp decks at 45 cards, and more standard decks at 49. The lower agenda density is more important vs finding key ice/econ pieces. I have no nice mathy explanation however
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Thereās our new thread tagging system right there!
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