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[Jinteki RP] Red Rush!

For those interested in playing around with the deck, here’s the latest (untested) version with Cortex Lock and no Port Anson Grid. :cry:

In Your Head
Nisei Division: The Next Generation

Agenda (10)
3x Clone Retirement
3x Nisei MK II
1x Philotic Entanglement
3x The Future Perfect

Asset (6)
2x Jackson Howard ••
3x Mental Health Clinic
1x Snare!

Upgrade (4)
3x Caprice Nisei
1x Corporate Troubleshooter •

Operation (11)
3x Celebrity Gift
3x Hedge Fund
1x Interns
2x Power Shutdown ••••
2x Successful Demonstration ••

Barrier (3)
3x Snowflake

Code Gate (5)
3x Chum
2x Enigma

Sentry (10)
3x Archer ••••• •
3x Cortex Lock
3x Pup
1x Tsurugi

15 influence spent (max 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Valley

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Yes, I think you are correct there. My main reason for choosing RP way back when was the Ruhr Valley interaction. Now that is jettisoned. Also removed are the taxing central ICE that need to be broken. ELP, MHC, and Chimera may the only things now keeping this deck in RP. Nisei division is really powerful when abusing Caprice and TFP to maximum extent.

Why not just brainstrust then ? I like Napd as sometimes, I bet on a potential window to score it and don’t care if it get stolen.

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i wouldn’t move it out of RP. i think the other IDs give up too many runs at the scoring remote. RP is so brutal because it can seem so hopeless as the runner you don’t even try at the remote when the correct play is to run at the remote. cutting down at least one of those runs at the remote per turn without expending any resources is incredibly valuable.

I tried out with Biotech instead of RP but it was too reliant on Excalibur + Nisei / Caprice.
Gone back to RP after a couple of games.

I saw this deck in the posted thread list, and it looked pretty interesting and definitely something I wanted to tool around with.

I saw it at work and my immediate thought was Cortex lock, but someone beat me to it.

Thanks for posting it and I look forward to messing around with it.

Here’s what I’ve played tonight

Nisei jammin

Jinteki: Replicating Perfection

Agenda (9)
3x Medical Breakthrough
3x Nisei MK II
1x Philotic Entanglement
2x The Future Perfect

Asset (8)
2x Daily Business Show ••
3x Jackson Howard •••
3x Mental Health Clinic

Upgrade (3)
3x Caprice Nisei

Operation (12)
1x Blue Level Clearance ••
2x Fast Track
2x Green Level Clearance ••
3x Hedge Fund
1x Interns
3x Medical Research Fundraiser

Barrier (4)
2x Himitsu-Bako
2x Wraparound ••

Code Gate (4)
1x Enigma
1x Lotus Field
2x Quandary

Sentry (4)
2x Architect ••••
2x Cortex Lock

Other (5)
3x Chimera
2x Excalibur

15 influence spent (max 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Valley

Cortex is awesome in here, If they Parasite your stuff, they don’t have permanent breakers installed, and get hit even harder by cortex. And getting architect down then hitting them with Cortex after the grab Mimic is really good too.I can’t say Eli would be bad in here, but I suppose he’s less hot without ELP, and I haven’t missed ELP at all. Clearances and Business Shows are sick. Might not need the second fast track. But then again, it is OCTGN, and I’ve had 7 of the 9 agendas be in the top 15 cards every game I’ve played so far. Nisei Counters have been used exclusively on Legworks in practice.

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On the test i’ve done, Architect has been blank for me. it’s not like NBN or HB where you can just score out something if architect trigger or have a strong edge like installing an already trashed sansan / adonis. I’ll maybe swap it out for something else.

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I’ve been really happy with it - putting caprice in a remote, or just adding another ice can speed you up a full turn, and you can definitely score later in the game off architect installs with breakthrough and Philotic. I’m really into it so far.

What I’d be worried about is that the first breaker people like to install vs Jinteki is Mimic, and some people won’t run at all without some kind of sentry breaker. How are you managing to fire it? Or are people just running into ice without minding the card loss?

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I’ve been playing with fast track in RP since start of SC season, the nisei train is a real thing. Usually you only need one.

The thing with RP rush, which makes its different to normal rush decks a la HB, is that the ID ability requires a slightly modified approach. Flooding cheap ETR is the standard rush tactic but if your doing that, your better out of tennin. For RP you want ICE that forces interaction, the first sub should never be hard ETR unless its your scoring remote. Ichi 1.0 is the best ICE in this respect for a rush/midrange RP deck, i’d argue better than Architect. Cortex Lock is also very, very good iv found in testing.

Markus to a certain extent is arguably better the Eli in RP. sits and awaits the shitstorm for saying that

Not rush, but my current midrange build looks like this:

Edit: I’m interested in further speed optimisation so i’m going to play around with the sundew slots, as Calimsha said it’s too damn long game for the ROI.

RP Midrange

Jinteki: Replicating Perfection

Agenda (9)
1x Chronos Project
2x Fetal AI
3x Nisei MK II
3x The Future Perfect

Asset (10)
3x Jackson Howard •••
3x Mental Health Clinic
1x PAD Campaign
3x Sundew

Upgrade (3)
3x Caprice Nisei

Operation (8)
3x Celebrity Gift
1x Fast Track
3x Hedge Fund
1x Interns

Barrier (3)
1x Himitsu-Bako
1x Markus 1.0 •
1x Wraparound •

Code Gate (6)
2x Enigma
1x Lotus Field
1x Quandary
2x Wormhole ••••

Sentry (8)
3x Cortex Lock
3x Ichi 1.0 ••••• •
2x Pup

Other (2)
2x Excalibur

15 influence spent (max 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Valley

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

Just for giggles here’s the rush variant out of tennin.

Tennin Rush

Tennin Institute: The Secrets Within

Agenda (11)
3x Braintrust
1x Chronos Project
1x Gila Hands Arcology
3x Medical Breakthrough
3x Nisei MK II

Asset (7)
3x Jackson Howard •••
3x Mental Health Clinic
1x PAD Campaign

Upgrade (3)
3x Caprice Nisei

Operation (8)
3x Celebrity Gift
1x Fast Track
3x Hedge Fund
1x Interns

Barrier (6)
2x Himitsu-Bako
2x Ice Wall ••
1x Markus 1.0 •
1x Wraparound •

Code Gate (7)
2x Enigma
1x Lotus Field
2x Quandary
2x Wormhole ••••

Sentry (5)
3x Cortex Lock
2x Ichi 1.0 ••••

Other (2)
2x Excalibur

15 influence spent (max 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Valley

Deck built on http://netrunnerdb.com.

Bit late to the party, but I wanted to say good to play you in the SSCI!

The beauty of your deck was that when I saw the ID, I thought to myself “I’ve got some time here” and was a bit relaxed about what I should do and probably gave your ICE too much respect (not knowing what was there and expecting some Cortex Lock).

The advantage you’ve got is people will expect a slower game from RP and the super speedy Nisei plus Fast Track for another really put the game out of reach before I could get going.

I might try a more original version of your deck despite everyone else’s revisions above … :smiley:

Latest version:

RP Rush

Jinteki: Replicating Perfection (Trace Amount)

Agenda (9)

Asset (8)

Upgrade (3)

Operation (12)

Barrier (5)

Code Gate (5)

Sentry (2)

Other (5)

15 influence spent (max 15)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Valley

As I said earlier, Architect hasn’t been really good for me and even if Eli is shit against shaper, it still has some value against everyone not playing Lady. So i’ve been back to Eli and added a Tollbooth as one large annoying ICE to put on R&D after I got my nisei scored and excalibur on remote. The Medical has been disappointing for me so i’ve gone back for the 3 TFP / 3 Nisei / 2 NAPD / 1 Chronos Project agenda suite. The Medical Fundraiser has been disappointing : even if the ice didn’t tax much, at least by playing gift you don’t fuel the runner on getting their rig on the board so => going back to gift.

I’ve tried 2 GLC / 1 BLC but I feel 2 BLC + 1 Subliminal will probably make the deck a bit faster.

Also, i’m not sure if the 3rd Chimera shouldn’t be either an Ashigaru or a Susanoo no Mikoto here. My experience on rush deck is that you need at least one if not two big annoying ice to make it into the late-game. Also, chimera is pretty much useless against Kate and right now Kate is definitely the deck to beat.

Hey all. Appreciate all the thoughts and work on this archetype. I haven’t had time to try any testing due to needing to file my taxes :open_mouth: , but am excited to try some out. Some thoughts:

I like the idea of Cortex Lock and def want to test, but the thought of adding more ICE that is dead by turn 7, worries me. I think a one-of is definitely worth it, just to slow meta-conscious runners down early on. Does it do enough work later in the game to justify two slots? Just wondering. I definitely want to test for myself. Looks like @hhoo is seeing positive results.

Also, after thinking/tax procrastinating I started to have the same worries about Architect as was voiced by @Calimsha and @Saan above. How often will it fire? Is a tax of two enough for 4 credits. I do like the indestructible nature of it. Eli is so good against everybody but Lady runners.

I did try this deck with 2x Markus and 2x Eli, and usually when I rezzed Markus I was wishing it had been an Eli. This goes to @king_mob’s comments. This deck is actually giving up on prioritizing the RP “deep server”, where the runner has to pay on a central and then pay again to score the agenda. First priority is get your scoring set up with some reasonable defense on HQ and R&D, and then go for the score. With all the cheap ETR in here (which facilitate the early scoring remote) you really need the cards to go right to be able to also top each central with a taxer. If you want to go deep server, I think the long game Jinteki builds that took the other x top slots in the tourney are the way to go. So, this is a long way of saying that Markus, while probably being good in a deep server RP, is not optimal in this archetype (IMO).

I do like the idea of Ichi1.0 though. Super tax. Good on R&D. Might also close out the game against a desperate runner if you put it on the remote in front of some ETR. Usually sucks to see in your opening hand but that might be different now with Cortex Lock in peoples’ minds.

edit: to comment on Calimsha’s late-breaking post.
Subliminal, I like it! Could help with PSI games where you only have 4 credits and a one-advanced Nisei in the remote, especially if the runner doesn’t know you have it in hand.

Tollbooth seems good (it always is!). If the runner sees it early it might throw them off as to the nature of the deck. What do you think of Ichi 1.0 in that slot?

I see you’ve come around to my thinking about removing too much tax from the runner. The ICE slots are fewer here, compensated by double DBS. How is that working?

One less Chimera is something I’ve contemplated. Seems like if you put another big ICE like Ashigaru, then having Eli’s would be worthwhile to compensate for the Criminal/Reina matchup with shutdown tech.

Thing is, right now i’m just worried about the Kate matchup. Everything else can be dealt either with Caprice, Nisei Token or just plain rushing. For that, Susanoo as your big ice is great because it forces Kate to either bring a 7str Atman or a Femme. But if the runner do that, they can’t break Excalibur anymore. Maybe only one huge is is enough and the tollbooth should be either a Sherlock or a Ichi. both are ok I think.

Glancing through the last few deck lists posted and I noticed a lot of 1/1 Enigma/Quandary splits or 1/2 splits. I concede that the cost could be a pretty big issue in a rush deck like this, but I would think that having multiple enigmas over your centrals would be pretty ideal for completely sapping their turn early in a game which can open a scoring window before you score a Nesei without Excalibur. I feel like you might want more Enigmas, and maybe even some number of Vipers to make those opportunities happen. I have yet to try the deck out but I felt like it was a thought worth sharing.

Edit: Just read a suggestion for Ichi. That’s way better than Viper.

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@cspieker I do understand the desire to move RP away from glacier and i agree with many of your decisions with regards to that, i just genuinely believe that unless your presenting some dissuasion in your ICE then its better out of tennin.

There really is no need for going deep just because your tailoring your ICE to your ID. Engima is one of the best rush ICE in the game, and its perfect in most RP builds. I only go for a singleton markus because yeah, its no Eli, but if the cost to the runner is just 1 click when they go “run archives, bounce, run remote” then i would argue markus (slightly).

But meh, its splitting hairs really. We can all agree rush is about cheap ICE, quick set up and trying to score out before the runner is over the top of the trench. With that in mind i think we can also agree:

  1. Cheap and taxing ICE like ichi is great
  2. Cheap ETR ice like eli, quandary and wraparound is an absolute necessity
  3. Jinteki has a powerful as all hell superfriends scoring server (caprice+nisei token+excalibur), so these cards are also auto-includes

After that i think its down to personal preference and meta when it comes to what ICE is going to be optimal.

Good luck with the deck and keep us posted on how it develops!

I have been testing a similar Biotech rush deck recently and one of my recent additions was Susanoo to address the same concern. I considered Ashigaru, but decided against it since Kate usually runs Atman and it would leave me with three 4 strength barriers (I’m also running 2 eli). When I’ve needed Susanoo, it has done the job. The other advantage is that it’s another target not easily dealt with outside Atman/Femme, which helps compensate if Excalibur gets targeted by one of those.

I’m only running 2 chimera, I think 3 is excessive and agree Susanoo would be better in that slot.

This is off-topic, but the “Super Fiends Server” reminded me, has anyone tried a Crisium-Grid on HQ + Off the Grid + Excalibur HQ in Blue Sun? This certainly wouldn’t be as good as Caprice/Nisei Token/Excalibur, but it has a similar type effect.