Official Dumblefork Thread

rojazu · February 22, 2016, 2:18pm

interesting as this = 1 more precious deckslot

Saan · February 22, 2016, 4:51pm

It kind of seems like removing a Parasite might almost be worse than removing a Clone Chip.

CrimsonWraith · February 22, 2016, 9:07pm

Not a deck choice I would’ve made myself, but if someone’s looking for a successful Dumblefork w/E3…

We had a 25-player store champ here on Saturday that was won by Blue Sun/Whizzard. He was running 1x E3, dropped 2x Career Fairs for it. He didn’t feel like it slowed the deck down that much, and he was anticipating other Blue Sun decks showing up. He wasn’t entirely wrong… 3 of the top 4 players at the end of Swiss were on Weyland, and he absolutely destroyed Titan (Hollywood Dedication) w/E3 in the cut. He ended up going 6-0 on the day w/Whizzard, beating 3x NEH AstroBiotics, Gagarin, RP Glacier, and Titan.

hhooo · February 22, 2016, 9:11pm

I feel like people undersell how insane E3 is with David pretty frequently. Getting through 3 curtain walls/Orions/Little Engines/Assassin/Archer/whatever is completely ignorant. It’s good with Faust as well (2 cards +1 cred is far better than 3 cards on Architect/eli/Viktor).

Obviously it’s at its strongest in Quetzal, but it’s still just a ridiculous card in its own right in the current meta.

CrimsonWraith · February 22, 2016, 9:21pm

Agreed. I don’t want to spend the influence on it, but there’s no doubt it’s great w/D4v1d and Faust. Along with your list of cards, it’s also good against Curtain Wall (5 cards + 2 credits instead of 7 cards, or 3 cards + 2 credits instead of 5 cards on a non-outermost Crouton).

The only game I lost with my Corp deck (Blue Sun Mushin Grid) in that tournament, including double-elimination rounds, was to a Nasir deck running Faust & E3 of all things and snagged the winning agenda through a double Curtain Wall remote. >_<

Saan · February 22, 2016, 9:26pm

Yeah, my Titan Hollywood deck just doesn’t hold up to the Whizz deck if they get at all set up. It’s not like the ICE in that deck holds up well to Parasite/cutlery =P

Was sad I couldn’t make it to the tourney. Capped tournaments are a travesty.

dukeoflizards · February 22, 2016, 9:28pm

Maybe take this shell into Quetzal but go -2 Career
Fair, +1 E3, +1 Scrubber…?

hhooo · February 22, 2016, 9:35pm

I’ve played with this a lot (and it was actually a deck my roommate and I worked on a ton pre MWL, Fair/Levy/Clone chip/E3 Quetz, but we included less Cutlery in favor of Street Peddlers, which really helped get it set up quickly). Now, I’d go to -1 Fair, -1 Parasite as my way of fitting 2 inf in here. I’d play Imp over scrubber too, and probably a dirty laundry or two over 3rd liberated and something. Lower threshold econ is important with only 2 Fairs. 1 Knifed is probably plenty since most people will just give up on barriers if you play Quetz.

Zebadiah · February 22, 2016, 9:37pm

Here is the Quetzal list I played at a recent SC to decent success:

###[Bargain][1] (45 cards)

[Quetzal: Free Spirit][2]

Event (17)

3 [Career Fair][3] •••
2 [Deja Vu][4]
1 [Dirty Laundry][5]
3 [Inject][6]
3 [I’ve Had Worse][7]
1 [Knifed][8]
1 [Levy AR Lab Access][9] •••
3 [Sure Gamble][10]

Hardware (4)

2 [Clone Chip][11] ••••
1 [E3 Feedback Implants][12] ••
1 [Turntable][13]

Resource (14)

2 [Adjusted Chronotype][14]
3 [Daily Casts][15]
1 [DDoS][16]
1 [Kati Jones][17]
2 [Liberated Account][18]
1 [Same Old Thing][19]
1 [Symmetrical Visage][20]
3 [Wyldside][21]

Icebreaker (4)

3 [Faust][22]
1 [Mimic][23]

Program (6)

2 [D4v1d][24]
1 [Datasucker][25]
1 [Imp][26]
1 [Medium][27]
1 [Parasite][28]

TheBigBoy · February 22, 2016, 11:59pm

Unless I’m facing one of the top Blue Sun players in the game (in which case the game is close), you just win because they’re Weyland and your deck has an AI breaker.

Sorry if that’s crass but I’m just telling it like it is…

moistloaf · February 23, 2016, 2:59am

IMO BS Glacier doesn’t rely on gear check like other Weyland strategies. Datasucker is the concern when I’m playing against Anarch with BS glacier, not Faust.

TheBigBoy · February 23, 2016, 3:09am

I just have no faith in BS glacier. For Weyland to win late-game you need a super specialized ICE suite AND several hoser cards like mills/cgrid/corp town etc. AND you need to play pretty much perfectly. There will always be random crap you have a bad MU against. That’s not what a top deck looks like. I don’t think the deck is a real concern. The competitive players will get off of it and you will be able to outplay any lesser player since the deck requires impeccable piloting.

moistloaf · February 23, 2016, 4:50am

I definitely agree with the last critique. BS Glacier does require the tightest piloting of any Corp deck. I wasn’t saying that it’s a concern for this archetype; personally I’m also very comfortable playing against BS Glacier with all these tools. My only point was that you can win as BS Glacier versus this build, but it’s very difficult and you need more luck than usual. It’s by no means in BS favor.

rojazu · February 23, 2016, 7:11am

E3 has plenty of utility against weyland and the bioroid ice in particular, and any 2+ sub ice. The question is it worth dropping a career fair and a parasite (adding in one extra cutlery) for? Or even 2 career fair. As kesterer said above the matchup is key, but i think there would be many cases where is strengthens the deck, its just a question of how important the career fairs are to the decks economy function.

RTsa · February 23, 2016, 7:17am

They are instrumental,IMHO. That’s not to say E3 wouldn’t help in some matchupa…But you do need the speed of career fairs against yellow.

Ian_Murphy · February 23, 2016, 9:29pm

My Haarp psychobeale deck would be just fine against this.

Unwatchable Award Winning Drama

Haarpsichord Studios: Entertainment Unleashed (Old Hollywood)

Agenda (14)
3x AstroScript Pilot Program (Core Set)
3x Award Bait (Old Hollywood)
3x Breaking News (Core Set)
3x Project Beale (Future Proof)
1x The Future is Now (The Universe of Tomorrow)
1x 15 Minutes (Data and Destiny)

Asset (3)
3x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves)

Operation (26)
3x Blue Level Clearance (Fear and Loathing)
2x Closed Accounts (Core Set)
3x Fast Track (Honor and Profit)
3x Green Level Clearance (A Study in Static)
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
3x Midseason Replacements (Future Proof)
3x Psychographics (Core Set)
3x Restructure (Second Thoughts)
3x Sweeps Week (True Colors)

Barrier (3)
3x Resistor (Data and Destiny)

Code Gate (1)
1x Turing (Breaker Bay)

Sentry (1)
1x Troll (The Source)

Other (1)
1x Special Offer (Data and Destiny)
12 influence spent (max 15-3☆=12)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Data and Destiny

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

cmcadvanced · February 26, 2016, 9:52am

This is what happens when i play a good blue sun deck with off the grid, weird shaper (kit/nasir/lldschameleon) murders it

StephenBall · February 27, 2016, 7:38am

Not to mention the upcoming Political Operative completely craps on Off the Grid.

I’ve actually found in my games on Jinteki that my HB deck that I’ve been playing for a while has been very successful against this Whizzard deck. I think some of the opponents have played it poorly, I’ll admit that, but I think I’m currently 7-0 against it in my matchups. Although some have been very close. I’m far from saying I broke the code or anything, I think part of it is a case where I’ve played against people who don’t understand how the Whizzard deck works, while I know my HB deck intimately from playing it a ton.

It’s nothing special at all, just good cards. I had moved away from heavy asset economy because everyone in the world was playing hate against econ and I hated just losing games if people got on top of it fast. So I went with the Restructures, and have bounced around on a few deck slots (the ones currently occupied by Sponsorship). That slot has been Launch Campaign, it’s been Green Level Clearance, different things like that that are there to move the deck along faster. In my games against Whizzard if they get a moderately bad draw you can push ahead pretty quick usually, which is what you want I feel. You don’t want to allow that deck to dictate play, you just lose. I feel fine about the Sponsorships even against Whizzard. I get a credit for throwing it on the table and he has to spend a real credit and a click to get rid of it. Unlike Campaigns, you don’t go in the hole to use Sponsorship, you only rez it if it’s going to fire, so them getting trashed is far from the end of the world. And if they get left, all you need is for one to fire once to put you ahead. Mainly I look to recur Adonis, because it’s the best card.

The ICE suite is a pain for Faust in general, not by design, but just because it’s HB ICE. Against a deck that appears to have the Dumble shell, I like to attempt to ICE up my centrals with annoying things, mainly Viper, which does some good work here. Turing against Dumble usually end up on centrals for me. I’ve found they do more for me taxing Parasites than D4V1D tokens. I think my favorite thing to try to get online against Dumble is an R&D of Architect in front of Vikram, to protect Big Vik from Forked. All 3 subs are relevant on Vikram even on the inside against these decks, so it’s a great piece of ICE.

The agendas are all fairly strong in the matchup I believe as well. We all know what Beta Test does to the deck, so that’s a no brainer. Hopper allows you to keep up tempo, which is extremely important, and Vitruvius works great as either a never advance threat or as a recursion piece to get back trashed ICE or CVS. Food is Food.

I’ve talked way too long and haven’t really said anything important at all, so I’ll stop. Again, I don’t think I’ve solved anything, maybe I’ve just been really lucky. I know how strong this Whizzard build is, and if it gets a good start against you you’re in trouble.

Haas-Bioroid: Engineering the Future

Agenda (9)
3x Accelerated Beta Test
2x Advanced Concept Hopper
2x Global Food Initiative ••
2x Project Vitruvius

Asset (8)
3x Adonis Campaign
3x Jackson Howard •••
2x Team Sponsorship

Upgrade (5)
3x Ash 2X3ZB9CY
1x Caprice Nisei ••••
1x Cyberdex Virus Suite

Operation (9)
2x Archived Memories
1x Biotic Labor
3x Hedge Fund
3x Restructure

Barrier (4)
3x Eli 1.0 ☆☆☆
1x Wall of Static

Code Gate (6)
3x Turing
3x Viper

Sentry (8)
3x Architect ☆☆☆
3x Ichi 1.0
2x Vikram 1.0

9 influence spent (max 15-6☆=9)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Kala Ghoda

Maelig · February 27, 2016, 4:09pm

Not to mention the upcoming Political Operative completely craps on Off the Grid.

How so? Crisium grid is about the best card vs polOp.

Chuftbot · February 27, 2016, 4:56pm

If you manage to get Pol Op on the table preemptively they can’t rez OTG. Crisium hitting early does work well against it though.