hahaha me too; this or my reworked Noise miller time list :).
Wouldn’t you just be amplifying the normal chance of this happening to you?
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All we can do is give ourselves the best chance possible
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Embrace the variance.
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A few thoughts after playing it:
I played a few games with @SamRS’s deck the other day (the stock version) and I like parts of it, but the deck is just WAY too expensive for how much cash it generates. It relies too hard on Kati Jones and has only 9 economy cards in the whole deck. That’s rough. For a deck where everything effectively costs 4 to install, I don’t think that’s enough economy.
I haven’t tried @mediohxcore’s version, but it looks like it’s solved some of the problems while creating a few others. Mainly, as you guys have mentioned since, the wraparound problem. 2x David is necessary for a bunch of different matchups, and as a backup answer to Wraparound against NEH.
So, for comparison, here’s my denial Reina list that I’ve been doing well with: Just add this to the “decks that leverage Vigil and Crescentus well” list. No Lampreys here, but my local test group has tried out a 3x shutdown 3x Crescentus version of Reina (and flexi breakers) with Lamprey that is pretty gross.
I have eschewed the AoA DLR package for actual breakers (it can work, I just prefer not to use it). (This is just the shell: sometimes I play 1 yog over the third SoT.) The goal is to force a “headlock” and then assemble your real breakers so that you can medium dig the corp out of the game. Eater is a place-holder for your normal breakers. By the end of the game, I will probably trash it to get something else online (David or whatever). In some ways, this is more like a “Reg Ass” deck because of that. I prefer not playing Keyhole here because Keyhole is expensive and you are probably going to be using Eater to get in (which is also expensive); Keyhole can be swapped in for Medium, and I think some of the deck can be retooled to accommodate that. Anyway, the reason I’m bringing this decklist up is that it deals with a lot of the problems you guys are talking about: It has 4 strong answers to Wraparound (2x corroder and 2x David), 3 [or 4] answers to low str Codegates (2x parasite, [1x yog in some versions], 1x Spooned + recursion), and then it has the Crescentus plan for things like Lotus or Tollbooth. In this way, I’m giving myself the best possible chance to draw into my answers to problematic ice. Usually, I will draw through my entire deck with Vigil + IHW + normal draw. So, it’s just a matter of managing the opponent’s cashflow while you’re building your rig and gaining accesses.
Just some notes on Vigil: this is easily the best choice for Reina denial. It usually draws me anywhere from 5-12 cards. If the opponent is playing around it, I have a better chance of sniping an agenda from hand, so I’m ok with that.
A note on Siphon: yay siphon. Sometimes I only get off one siphon and then the rest of the game is just keeping the corp poor with ice rezzing. Vigil starts to trigger and it’s like I’m playing MaxX without milling myself. The deck can go siphon crazy if all green light indicators tell you there isn’t any Scorch or Traffic Accident, but I’d prefer to play clean, if I can get away with it. I used to play 2x Vamp here, like in the “headlock” deck, and went down to 1 because they would frequently sit in my hand early on, and when the opponent’s deck is teched against siphon, they’re discarded anyway. Just another way to go with the denial strategy. These decks are effectively doing the same thing, just with a few different card choices.
The netrunnerdb link is broken. “Unauthorized Access”.
You need to publish the deck or make your profile settings allow people to see your private decks.
Fixed! Sorry about that.
I’m inclined to stay away from Siphon only because your economy gets fucked if you can’t get the money, because you can’t play Kati, Daily, or Lucky.
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I’m not saying to hybridize the decks. I wouldn’t play Kati with Siphon either.
sure game, daily, liberated and kati make 12 unless my math’s off, that’s the same as yours if you count siphon as econ + scrubber to help trash costs. Switching to Vigil helps with the install costs but I hit money issues in one game all day (loss in top 8 on stream, but it happens)
Is there an Nrdb list for this around? I’m vaguely interested in toying with it, but if not it’s nbd.
Don’t NRDB and meteor both have text import functions?
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This is my stock list + the general feedback Macho Man Reina Savage · NetrunnerDB. work in a knife somewhere (I think over david? or the queen’s gambit)
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Fantastic fucking name.
Are people too lazy when net decking to actually build the list themselves manually?
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I absolutely love this deck concept. I’m going to sleeve this latest version up and try it out tonight at my local league night.
Ton anyone from my local meta: IGNORE THIS POST; I AM MERELY KIDDING. THE REINA YOU SEE TONIGHT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DECK THAN THIS.
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Oh, no, you’re right. I missed Daily Casts. So things look ok on paper. I still felt pretty poor, though.
If they do I’ve never found it.
They do. By export.
Thanks, this will be useful in future.