That was my main problem of comprehension with this problem until this post.
Which states that paying to trash a card is made in the action “trash”, quoting the core rules.
Then I followed the same path as many here, Sneakdoor with ST, and Crisium with ST I think. And SneakApo also.
All those situations are very different, because of the nature of abilities of the 6 cards. Once abilities are correctly taxinomized (does that word exist in english ?), you have no problems and the world is brigth again.
@Wiegraf Crisium grid is perma stuff. It don’t need to trigger. It simply is a replacement on any run on that server, especially for cards in play. Then you trash it.
The crisium was perma stuff, the effect is lifted. Then you can use ST on the server because “for the purpose of cards abilities”, the first run was never successfull.
ST specifies “first successfull”, this doesn’t mean “first run and a run succesffull” AKA with ST, you can make a run on a target server, jack out, run again and gain 2c. It is the first time a run is succesfull, which happen to be true once you lift crisium because all runs you made there were neither a succes or a failure.
Then this goes to Sneak ST. 1st run on archives is successfull. But 2nd part of Sneak is perma ability trigger by a click cost. The thing you “buy” with Sneak is a run on archives. And it launch a perma ability “when it’s success replace” because, due to run mecanics, you can’t apply that part of the text when you just clicked on sneak.
Since it’s perma, it happen faster than ST’s conditional effect, but ST still have triggered. So the run is replaced before ST effect kicks in and ST fizzles. During a normal run on archives after this, ST can’t trigger since it allready triggered once this turn.
Then this goes to SneakApo. We did not have a confirmation but a SneakApoc Omar should be able to triple run archive then apoc :
- once with Sneak, which happen to be a success on HQ
- once with Omar which happen to be a success on R&D
- once normal which happen to be a success on archives.
This opens the conditions to play Apoc and be T1 Omar again. I suspect this will be the main archetype btw.