Note that a run is completed when it ends (by reaching step 6 in the run chart). This is not inhibited even if successful/unsuccessful being inhibited (it is a separate event).
This is important (if tangential); you could, for example, stimhack with no cards in hand to steal the game winning agenda before dying.
Credit to @scd
That was my main problem of comprehension with this problem until this post.
Which states that paying to trash a card is made in the action âtrashâ, quoting the core rules.
Then I followed the same path as many here, Sneakdoor with ST, and Crisium with ST I think. And SneakApo also.
All those situations are very different, because of the nature of abilities of the 6 cards. Once abilities are correctly taxinomized (does that word exist in english ?), you have no problems and the world is brigth again.
@Wiegraf Crisium grid is perma stuff. It donât need to trigger. It simply is a replacement on any run on that server, especially for cards in play. Then you trash it.
The crisium was perma stuff, the effect is lifted. Then you can use ST on the server because âfor the purpose of cards abilitiesâ, the first run was never successfull.
ST specifies âfirst successfullâ, this doesnât mean âfirst run and a run succesffullâ AKA with ST, you can make a run on a target server, jack out, run again and gain 2c. It is the first time a run is succesfull, which happen to be true once you lift crisium because all runs you made there were neither a succes or a failure.
Then this goes to Sneak ST. 1st run on archives is successfull. But 2nd part of Sneak is perma ability trigger by a click cost. The thing you âbuyâ with Sneak is a run on archives. And it launch a perma ability âwhen itâs success replaceâ because, due to run mecanics, you canât apply that part of the text when you just clicked on sneak.
Since itâs perma, it happen faster than STâs conditional effect, but ST still have triggered. So the run is replaced before ST effect kicks in and ST fizzles. During a normal run on archives after this, ST canât trigger since it allready triggered once this turn.
Then this goes to SneakApo. We did not have a confirmation but a SneakApoc Omar should be able to triple run archive then apoc :
Somehow I donât think that a social media pronouncement by Damon is going to fundamentally solve a problem which stems from social media pronouncements by anyone being officially illegitimate as rules sources.
Earnestly, at this point, Iâm done. Iâve shown why logically it makes the most sense to play with the CtM ruling Iâve put forward, and have yet to have it reasonably refuted.
You have the head of ANCUR, a resource dedicated to digging into the rules, saying the same thing.
You have the head designer saying you should go by ANCUR (in what seems to be a message aimed directly at this).
The point canât be proven wrong, Iâll yield that much. It is ambiguous officially in that it doesnât specifically say exactly how it does/doesnât work.
But if you honestly feel like any other interpretation of CtM should be used at this point, you (in the generic sense, directed at no one in particular here) are an illogical individual and should not be a TO for a high-level event.
Peace.
Can we close this thread?
Personally I just want to say that Iâm happy that this time it didnât explode the Official Rule Questions Thread.
âBut its not in the FAQ so it doesnât matterâ is the argument youâll get here.
Thereâs a kind of libertarianism in Netrunner forums and it starts with the supposed âpurityâ of rules clarifications.
One of the TO donât drink beer
Yep, itâs not in the FAQ, so, itâs not official
I donât see where in the rule there is an event dispatcher, and that the event dispatcher only exists for the purpose of cards effects. Also, where in the rule crisium prevent the event to be sent.
EVENT
SENT
Who sent the event?
BRENT
SENT
Brent sent the event!
It doesnât need to be in the FAQ. There is no clarification needed beyond reading the rulebook. That said, ANCUR and Damon have both provided clarifications in whatever forms are available to them right now. Relying on it being âofficialâ in the FAQ is moronic.
This is purely about a couple of Nationals TOs and their egotistical power trips at this point. The Slums/CtM interaction has been stated multiple times and the gleeful way some are choosing to ignore the intent of the gameâs designer and the designated group for collating these changes is just, well, it speaks to the arrogance of these TOs more than anything.
This is beyond ridiculous. I personally believe the French Nationals should be cancelled at this point. There, I said it.
I think the German TO has a leg to stand on, as he has stated that FFGOP told him he could not consider ANCUR. That is just at odds with basically every other employee. Jakodrako has stated that he is contacting them. the French TO, Iâm less sure of. But the people on this thread? I just canât even imagine what their logic is. They seem to believe that if there is any mild ambiguity that an official clarification in the FAQ is always required, which is just the path to madness. There was a guy on the Netrunner Reddit for a while who insisted that Same Old Thing worked with Always Be Running. He brought it up constantly, and according to everyone on here, unless thatâs ever published in the official FAQ and he is TOing a tournament, he should get to do whatever he wants. Itâs an advocacy I donât really get and itâs at odds with the community norms that have been established for the entire time Iâve been playing netrunner, which is to seek a clarification from the lead designer.
Precisely. Iâve been reading the Must-Be-FAQ posts thinking, âOkay, so whatâs your plan?â The designer of the game (hopefully) tested the cards given the rulings that he is operating under, so I really think that his word - unless directly and obviously contradicted by the FFG published ruleset (which would be weird) - goes.
The whole thing strikes me as a lot of âyou canât tell me what to doâ / rules fighting for no reason. jakodrako has every right to be annoyed and express that annoyance, and he certainly isnât hurting the community to call out non-standard rule variants at national tournaments.
And ffs, does CtM need that extra boost??
I hope this is meant to be ironic. I really do.
For the record, French Nat will use the CTM/Slum Damon ruling now.
