Did some more testing (B&E style) tonight. Here’s my thoughts.
a) Sodding Turing on a remote, with NEXT everywhere. What HB decks run 3 Turing? That one did. It’s too high strength to Crowbar reliably, and paying 5 with Cerberus Rex is no good. And 4 to rez means it’s barely a worthwhile target! Eugh!
b) For the shorter games, Security Testing seems completely inferior to Bank Job, and they compete for spare clicks. For longer games, Security Testing gets turned off easily. I’m unhappy with this card.
c) I remain torn between Maker’s Eye, and Peddler/R&D Interface.
Yeah, I’ve been ambivalent about Sec Testing vs More Bank Job, but testing is just REALLY strong against NBN early. So is Bank Job, obviously, but having the continued income is a really good thing when you have to pay a lot of extra money trashing important stuff. Dropping it and going entirely Bank Job is respectable, though.
I almost feel Symmetrical Visage would pay out better. Money is rarely the cap, it’s cards and clicks. But when money is the cap, Security Testing is not the answer.
Technical Writer once D&D drops?
Man, I am looking forward to Tech Trader. That might be enough to boost this deck up a notch.
But but, it has a trash-ability, it must be for Geist!
Tech writer is for the long game for those that installs a lot. I am not convinced that Geist really wants to install all that much, B&E suite delays both his draw and his pressure. B&E should be used for cost savings, and you need a couple of breakers out before they become good.
Might be good in heavy programs Hayley (maybe paired with aesops?).
I took Geist to a tournament today- he beat 2 Titan decks, but lost badly against a pair of HB Team Sponsorship (one FA SanSan, one with PriReqs) and a Team Turtles NEH.
There is not enough economy for the interfaces, and not enough clicks to install the many things you need, to draw, and to trash assets.
Turing and Tollbooth remain an utter disaster for this deck on a remote.
I’m going to change things up a bit, but I’m pretty sure that it needs to be a very different deck to stand a chance against anything with a big code gate on a remote.
My experience has usually been that after the corp has enough cash together to Rez big code gates on the remote, you have enough installed so you can break with a crowbar. Link helps but that doesn’t mean you should play it
The best ‘tech card’ for this deck is wormhole or asteroid belt. But they’re very rare sightings in the wild.
I had one extra link. But what good is it on the bottom of the deck?
Turing is four credits. It doesn’t take long for HB to put that together. (Not to mention Beta Test with Team Sponsorship).
And then consider Little Engine which stopped me getting in against a Turtles deck…
So yeah, this deck just isn’t able to handle that stuff. I think you want to be minimising the runs while maximising accesses if this deck is going to get anywhere. Drive By looks appealing, as it stops face down cards serving double duty as bait and economy - like Kate, this deck can fall over on a mistimed run but has much less chance to recover.
And I think you need a link, which slows everything down. Eugh.
Is everyone playing 1x Femme Fatale. I know it’s expensive, but it’s also pretty good value. That solves some of the trouble. I cut it once. I regretted it. That card has won me 2-3 games.
Travis has comments on his deck at NetrunnerDB. It’s worth adding he made the following changes:
-1 Emergency Shutdown -1 Special Order -1 Planned Assault -1 Self-Modifying Code +3 Street Peddler +1 Crescentus
and
-3 Sure Gamble: +2 Armitage and +1 Bankjob–sooooo much better and makes Peddler fail far less
-1 Shiv: +1 Faerie–the deck needed this as well.
I don’t think he posts here, so I’ll add his findings on Forger/Desperado:
Forger got sideways glances until I would have a mass of cloud breakers out letting me run for free while other builds get the cred from Desperado which they just dump back into using breakers like Corroder and Femme.
Tag-me is, of course, much less viable post D&D, and Siphon Spam is very much all-in on HQ. I’ve seen way too many Crisiums of late (recurred by Team Sponsorship, no less!). Having 2 link, however, possibly is sensible given an explosion of trace cards. (Is Globalsec Security Clearance worthwhile pondering over RDI? It doesn’t even matter if you lose the 2 link later…)
I don’t have answers, but I certainly don’t think using Geist’s B&E breakers as a temporary rig until you assemble a rubbish Criminal rig with no supporting economy cards is the right deck.
Edit: As to my thoughts on Desperado/Forger, Desperado is a credit per run. That’s useful and important when you are running once a turn, but it’s pathetic if you’re not - and Geist draws and (particularly) installs far more than he runs, like it or not. Desperado combos with real breakers, but it doesn’t combo well at all with B&E.
