Untested/Non-competitive Decklist MegaThread

moistloaf · February 20, 2015, 12:46am

Uncorrodable not an unreasonable route, but please remove those PC and play something good. Even with 5/3 PC is a dubious card, and in this list I can’t imagine a Runner will steal more than 2 points per turn very often. PC just gonna sit in your hand until you eventually ditch it and wish you had been playing something else. I’d say replace them with Beanstalk honestly

endgame · February 20, 2015, 1:04am

Random thought: does I’ve Had Worse hurt Scorched or Punitive more?

Suppose a 5-card grip with 1x IHW. Then if you try to double-scorch you have a 20% chance of success (1-in-5 chance that the one card that survives the first Scorch is IHW).

If you double-punitive after a 3-pointer, you need to remove 3 non-IHW cards on the first PC. To pull that off you need to remove 3 non-IHWs, with a chance of total success of (4/5 * 3/4 * 2/3 =) 40%.

A 4-card grip won’t save you from double-scorched, but reduces the double-PC success chance to 25%.

false_idol · February 20, 2015, 2:41am

I don’t disagree about punitive, I just felt like I didn’t have enough teeth to punish agenda steals, especially lucky topdecks. I didnt feel like I had reliable scorched earth kills, and just making them respect the the PC at the moment feels okay, though I’m open to constructive input

false_idol · February 20, 2015, 6:07pm

Also, do you think if I’m playing beankstalks that I still want to be spending 4 influence on Sweeps? As opposed to like Archived Memories for better will-o-wisp recursion and pulling milled cards out of archives?

moistloaf · February 20, 2015, 6:13pm

I think you could go to 1 Sweeps, 1 Archived. Helps with PC kills if you still want to go that route, although I disagree with it. Wisp is already expensive if you’re going to use 3 per game (12c), and only more so if you start recurring them with Architect. You do have triple Hostile for money, though. Archived can pull back economy or scoop an Agenda out of Archives after Shutdown and allow you to save Jackson for maximum value. I would also personally cut a Paper Wall for a second Hive or Fire Wall. I understand PW are meant to be used when the Runner is between Fracters, but I think 3 may be too many. The Roto also feels out of place when you could just play Grim for no influence; BP doesn’t matter much in Uncorrodable and without Sucker support it’s out of Mimic range.

false_idol · February 20, 2015, 6:43pm

I just have an influence to spare and figured roto might be a bit more flexible since it isn’t a blank card if it blows up their only breaker, or can be used to will o wisp a killer in a pinch. Maybe a 1 of lotus field instead? Would still be nice against criminals to potentially shut off my server late game if I need to.

I’m not committed to the punitive counterstrike, I was just explain why I included them.

I was thinking architect recurring paper walls made 3 less of a gamble, but I will certainly cut to 2 if they aren’t doing enough work. I could up my firewall by 1, it’s nice to be able to absorb BP by advancing them during downtime, which ice wall only does if I advance it past corroder range first; so maybe +1 grim, +1 firewall, +1 lotus field, -1 paper wall, -1 rototurret? Then cut the PC for beanstalk and a sweeps for AM–or cut both and pick up a biotic labor, To score either my first or last Atlas with.

moistloaf · February 20, 2015, 9:28pm

a single Biotic in Titan can do no wrong

voltorocks · February 21, 2015, 4:33pm

I have to agree here - singletons are ridiculous in titan, and Biotic is one of the strongest cards out there.

MasterAir · February 21, 2015, 6:27pm

I’d like a wormhole too I think. I think going too deep on uncorrodable is probably a mistake. Why not play 2-3 ice to make the runner go fetch another breaker. Not everyone is playing AI.

false_idol · February 21, 2015, 7:21pm

The reason I don’t want to get too diverse with the ICE is basically because of cutlery. I’m not going to say I find them game breaking, but I’ve found them OP in the sense that I don’t feel there is very good counterplay to cutlery supported by eater or even just breakers. They have 9 ICE to eat throughout the game before we even get into parasite and recursion cards, but 9 is still often more than gets rezzed in an entire game. So while one wormhole is certainly an option, I didn’t feel that I had any powerful subroutines to take advantage of it in a meaningful way, and decided a single lotus field would be my splash for code gates. That being said, if you took some of the meatier HB barriers, then maybe wormhole makes a bit more sense, and while even with just ETR wormhole is nothing to laugh at, I figured Lotus Field might be more useful against a regular Andysucker and I’m not trying to go too far down the “tech against new cards” rabbit hole.

(second draft)
Great Barrier Reef

Titan Transnational: Investing In Your Future (Order and Chaos)

Agenda (10)
1x Geothermal Fracking (Opening Moves)
3x High-Risk Investment (Order and Chaos)
3x Hostile Takeover (Core Set)
3x Project Atlas (What Lies Ahead)

Asset (5)
3x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves)[color=#FF8C00] •••[/color]
2x Mark Yale (Order and Chaos)

Upgrade (3)
3x Will-o’-the-Wisp (The Spaces Between)

Operation (13)
3x Beanstalk Royalties (Core Set)
1x Biotic Labor (Core Set)[color=#8A2BE2] ••••[/color]
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
3x Power Shutdown (Mala Tempora)
3x Restructure (Second Thoughts)

Barrier (12)
2x Fire Wall (Order and Chaos)
2x Hive (Double Time)
3x Ice Wall (Core Set)
2x Paper Wall (Mala Tempora)
3x Wraparound (Fear and Loathing)[color=#FF8C00] •••[/color]

Code Gate (1)
1x Lotus Field i[/i][color=#DC143C] •[/color]

Sentry (5)
1x Archer (Core Set)
3x Architect (Up and Over)[color=#8A2BE2] ••••• •[/color]
1x Grim (Opening Moves)

17 influence spent (max 17)
20 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Order and Chaos

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

bayushi_david · February 21, 2015, 9:21pm

Shouldn’t we call “Uncorrodable” “Lady Killer” now instead?

Onion01 · February 22, 2015, 11:49pm

I love the concise, static effect of HB’s Stronger Together, and feel that bioroid ice makes for excellent (if not very porous) taxation. Inspired by Nagnazul’s excellent article (Deckspace: Stronger Together With Markus 1.0 - StimHack), I decided to try my hand at a ST deck. Against decently strong competition, my deck has gone 14-4 since being put together. The Asset economy allows for resilience against Account Siphon (the bane of my existence). All 4 losses came at the hands of account-siphoning criminals, 3 of which were Leela. Leela more than anyone else inflicts heavy damage on my servers. She is also pretty prominent in my meta. Anyways, here’s the decklist…

Haas-Bioroid: Stronger Together (What Lies Ahead)

Agenda (9)
3x Accelerated Beta Test (Core Set)
3x Project Vitruvius (Cyber Exodus)
2x Project Wotan (Creation and Control)
1x Eden Fragment (The Spaces Between)

Asset (14)
3x Adonis Campaign (Core Set)
3x PAD Campaign (Core Set)
3x Encryption Protocol (Trace Amount)
2x Eve Campaign (Humanity’s Shadow)
3x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves) •••

Upgrade (4)
2x Ash 2X3ZB9CY (What Lies Ahead)
2x Heinlein Grid (The Spaces Between)

Operation (5)
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
2x Enhanced Login Protocol (The Spaces Between)

Barrier (6)
3x Eli 1.0 (Future Proof)
3x Markus 1.0 (The Source)

Code Gate (9)
3x Viktor 1.0 (Core Set)
3x Sensei (Trace Amount) •••
3x Viktor 2.0 (Creation and Control)

Sentry (2)
2x Ichi 1.0 (Core Set)

6 influence spent (maximum 15)
21 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to The Source

Sensei has proved invaluable. I like triple stacking RnD and HQ, with a Sensei on top, and then a 4 deep remote with a Sensei on top as well. My scoring remote ideally has an Ashe and a Heinlein, although Henlein commonly finds itself on HQ as well. Tack on an ELP and I’m almost unstoppable. I’m slowest in the early game until my Assets start firing, and the Encryption Protocols help protect them. I imagine Imp and Scrubbers would deal a heavy blow to me, but I’ve usually been able to recover from them. Siphons have been a much bigger issue. Thoughts? Improvements? Let me know

bblum · February 23, 2015, 2:53am

@Onion01

This looks like a pretty reasonable glacier deck. The most glaring omission is that you got 9 influence to spare. In HB glacier I like to spend 6 on 3x tollbooths, but if you wanna stay maxed out on bioroids, it’s easy to spend it on better econ or better “goodies” – namely, 3 celebrity gift or 2 caprice + 1 crisium. I’d lean towards the latter, especially as you’ve only got 2x ash for your win condition cards right now. Encryption protocol is your weakest card; ELP does the same thing but also more.

moistloaf · February 23, 2015, 3:30am

I also just began testing a Stronger Together deck. You need more economy without the ETF factor, but beyond that it’s a much stronger (get it) deck than ETF Glacier IMO. Here is my list, largely inspired by the SanSan South ST deck on NRDB.

###[Bioroid Glacier][1] (49 cards)

[Haas-Bioroid: Stronger Together][2]

Agenda (8)

3 [Accelerated Beta Test][3]
1 [Eden Fragment][4]
1 [Hades Fragment][5]
2 [Priority Requisition][6]
1 [Project Vitruvius][7]

Asset (10)

3 [Adonis Campaign][8]
1 [Aggressive Secretary][9]
2 [Eve Campaign][10]
1 [GRNDL Refinery][11] ••
3 [Jackson Howard][12] •••

Upgrade (3)

2 [Caprice Nisei][13] ••••• •••
1 [Heinlein Grid][14]

Operation (8)

2 [Bioroid Efficiency Research][15]
3 [Hedge Fund][16]
1 [Subliminal Messaging][17]
1 [Successful Demonstration][18]
1 [Sweeps Week][19] ••

Barrier (8)

3 [Eli 1.0][20]
3 [Heimdall 2.0][21]
1 [Markus 1.0][22]
1 [Wotan][23]

Code Gate (7)

1 [Enigma][24]
3 [Viktor 1.0][25]
3 [Viktor 2.0][26]

Sentry (5)

2 [Architect][27]
1 [Grim][28]
2 [Ichi 1.0][29]

Still may need more money, but so far it hasn’t been an issue once I have my Campaigns are rolling in. Imp would likely be a problem. Not sure about Heinlein Grid yet. BER might be better as just more economy, but they have proved useful to buy me some time early game. BER Heimdall 2.0 to protect a Campaign and then use that for scoring remote later. Caprice is necessary IMO, and much better than Ash here. I don’t think ELP is necessary; your ICE is taxing enough, both credit- and click-wise. Went the @Nordrunner route with 4x2 and 4x3 agenda suite. Maybe 2 ABT 2 Vitruv is better. that’s all I have to say for now =)

OMGROFL · February 23, 2015, 3:46am

I’m going to rep the “non-competitive” part of this thread, with some garbage, but it’s all about winning or losing quickly. I don’t have a lot of patience, so I wanted something that was (a) fast and (b) still going to be viable after the clotting of fast advance. So I’ve tried to retread something nobody has seemingly gotten to work, medtech w/ 3-pointers. Ideas appreciated. It’s a rush deck that relies on changing the scoring math with Shi-Kyu, baiting out or avoiding inside jobs, and pushing through the second agenda for the win after sneaking through one early. I like reversed accounts here because you can bluff mu shin with it and if it fails, you’ve got something useful for opening a window later.

Ideas and improvements much appreciated. No idea what works for ice, but this game should be over reasonably quick. Mostly watch for siphon…R&D can pretty much protect itself.

Coin flip

Harmony Medtech: Biomedical Pioneer (Honor and Profit)

Agenda (6)
2x Priority Requisition (Core Set)
3x The Future Perfect (Honor and Profit)
1x Utopia Fragment (The Source)

Asset (9)
3x Jackson Howard (Opening Moves)•••
3x Reversed Accounts (Up and Over)•••
3x Shi.Kyū (Honor and Profit)

Upgrade (5)
2x Ash 2X3ZB9CY (What Lies Ahead)••••
3x Caprice Nisei (Double Time)

Operation (9)
3x Celebrity Gift (Opening Moves)
3x Hedge Fund (Core Set)
3x Mushin No Shin (Honor and Profit)

Barrier (2)
2x Paper Wall (Mala Tempora)

Code Gate (7)
3x Enigma (Core Set)
2x Lotus Field i[/i]
2x Yagura (Fear and Loathing)

Sentry (4)
2x Guard (Honor and Profit)
2x Rototurret (Core Set)••

Other (2)
2x Mother Goddess i[/i]

12 influence spent (max 12)
18 agenda points (between 18 and 19)
44 cards (min 40)
Cards up to The Source

Deck built on NetrunnerDB.

Saan · February 23, 2015, 8:32am

Speaking of the Stronger Together decks, there was a dude in the top 8 of our SC on Saturday that was playing a Stronger Together deck that included Rex Campaign and Neural Katana. He had some traps in there as well, although I can’t remember what they were, other than Aggressive Secretary. It was a lot of fun to play against, mainly because of all the irregular cards. I wasn’t that impressed by the Neural Katana inclusion overall, since Mimic nearly blanks it and basically everyone is playing a copy, but after seeing cards like the ones he was including you never really know what to expect any more, which was a blast.

Onion01 · February 23, 2015, 12:48pm

My problem with that kind of deck is the same thing most ST decks run into…why not ETF? I wanted to focus heavily on bioroids and click use punishment. Still, a few traps might prove interesting.

sgjuxta · February 23, 2015, 3:41pm

I think the most important thing ST has going for it (and really the only thing over EtF), is how it changes the math for the runner. With the printing of Heinlein Grid, clicking through is undesirable, so the runner has to usually spend 1-2 extra credits per piece of ICE to break it. The other card I’ve found to be quite useful in ST is Sub Boost, as Sub Boost on Eli (or most any other Bioroid) is pretty solid, especially against Shapers using Lady as their fracter, as you’re making them use 2 counters every time they want to break that Eli without using clicks.

Also…False Lead. I had a league game last week where I had 2 False Leads scored with a rezzed Heinlein on R&D and the scoring remote, and there was really nothing the runner could ever do from there.

voltorocks · February 23, 2015, 4:18pm

Heinlein Grid is the main reason why, as far as I can tell. The longstanding complaint about ST vs. ETF was that theh ST tax often doesn’t go off (especially early game) when players click through ICE. Heinlein puts runners between a rock and a hard place - pay the ST tax or lose all your credits clicking through a server.

false_idol · February 23, 2015, 4:57pm

A couple card suggestions: UCF means that runners have to respect tags, and it compliments your deck better than a closed accounts might because its relevent on their turn, where realistically, most of the time the runner spends tagged is. Secondly, it keeps them clearing tags, which is the actual reason UCF is in the deck, because you are trying to increase the value of a click beyond being able to save them for breaking roids.

Similarly, I would look at cards like Tsuruugi that tax the runner in more meaningful ways than credits (but you would be happy letting them pay through the teeth in credits as well), and I’m always very happy with Tsuruugi in a deck that can reasonably afford to rez them. Despite its vulnerability to parasite, it is fast becoming one of my favorite ICE, because you have so many routes to get a positive exchange from it (runner has to break 4 subroutines or you get to choose between 3 net damage or an ETR). Another strong option would be wormholes, which get to import your baller Bioroid Subroutines without the drawback of being a clickable.