Yeah, I’m not saying it is silly (in fact it’s most certainly correct), but it feels silly to have to do and it’s hard to pick the right one, balance the splash (the full three?) because suddenly getting those tutors in your deck hurts a lot more than having it for free like Crim, Shaper and MaxX.
I’ve gone with no tutors for now. I’ve opted for multiple copies of breakers and lots of draw instead. This could make consistency a problem but so far its worked out. This decks makes serious money but probably not quick enough for NEH. Multiple lotus fields are also a problem.
Valencia Estevez: The Angel of Cayambe (Order and Chaos)
Event (25)
2x Déjà Vu (Core Set)
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
3x Dirty Laundry (Creation and Control)
3x Lucky Find (Double Time) ••••• •
3x Inject (Up and Over)
3x I’ve Had Worse (Order and Chaos)
3x Wanton Destruction (Order and Chaos)
3x Day Job (Order and Chaos)
1x Forked (Order and Chaos)
1x Spooned (Order and Chaos)
Hardware (6)
3x Desperado (Core Set) ••••• ••••
3x Prepaid VoicePAD (Second Thoughts)
Resource (3)
3x Earthrise Hotel (The Source)
Icebreaker (8)
3x Corroder (Core Set)
2x Mimic (Core Set)
2x Yog.0 (Core Set)
1x Knight (Mala Tempora)
Program (8)
3x Datasucker (Core Set)
2x Medium (Core Set)
3x Parasite (Core Set)
15 influence spent (maximum 15)
50 cards (min 50)
Cards up to Order and Chaos
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IJ requires a bad pub to exist in the first place.
Only to be installed, not to be used. I was assuming it’s already installed, waiting to be used when they wiped, since some people will rez Liz to wipe pub followed by an Install-Advance-Advance.
So I’ve done a moderate amount of experimentation and deck slots are tighter than they look. I think I was already pretty close to the top of this hill.
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I’ve determined that you can’t do BP only. I tried that out and it was a bit too slow. Having the option to keyhole with medium and just break stuff to win is too valuable as a second option. BP is best as a source of pressure the runner doesn’t feel like they can get out from under. Investigative Journalism too often gets pitched by oracle may, so its typically not worth running.
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Also, I found protestors + vigil was too fickle. The corp often decided to play under the BP line so I wouldn’t get a card and maintaining the lock took too many resources without really gaining much. I still keep a 1 of each, but it’s more of a “if this happens cool” kind of thing. For some reason people are much happier to let vigil fire if you aren’t reducing their handsize. What?
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In most match ups frame job is simply the best way of getting more BP. There are often 1 point agendas and this means cards like shi kyu are boons to me. Costing only 2 clicks I can still get in somewhere with Blackmail the same turn.
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mimic hasn’t been valuable yet. Its still there as a 1 of just in case, but I’ve yet to install the card.
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Oracle may is worth it. The econ events are nice and played often enough but oracle is the steady drip that keeps the deck operating.
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The cutlery is necessary, but 2x of each appears to be enough with all of the in-deck recursion.
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I’ve had worse is an excellent addition. Either fixing the oracle may draws, digging deeper, or helping against a weyland match-up.
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2x Eater + 2x Special order seems to be enough… though I may lose the mimic for the 3rd copy.
I’ve gone up against BP removal and decks focused on rezzing stuff outside of a run at this point and the matches are still winnable since most of those cards are very narrow and still leave you an option for how to play.
I’d like to find room for wanton just to hit FA harder… but I’m not sure how I’ll get it in. More testing I suppose.
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So after being terrorized by Valencia a couple of times on OCTGN, I packed 2 x Exec Boot Camp and 1 x E. Mills in my Blue Sun deck. Last night at my FLGS I played against two Valencias and had the fortune of having an EBC in my starting hand in both games, so the BP was removed before Valencia could do anything with it.
It did leave my centrals open and I suffered some Wanton Destruction, but it wasn’t too terrible.
I think Valencia might want to pack a Frame Job or something to be able to turn on her Blackmails and the like.
I guess I struggle to understand why this list (pruned) wouldn’t be better out of Whizzard, Kim, Quetzal, or MaxXl. You get 1 free credit per run, that’s another Desperado; however, your only multi-access is Medium, without tutors. Do you find yourself running a lot and getting full value out of your single BP? Against plenty of decks, you can’t run that frequently early, as you’ll be digging for breakers without tutors. Just wondering.
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After all I found that Valencias ID is somewhat weird. You want to run early and often, but the decksize is really counterproductive and you have to build around this to get more value out of the ID.
Is the BP alone (with Blackmail etc.) worth it to build some kind of normal Anarch deck like @Calimsha did? Yes, why not?
But it may(!) be better to just jump on the Eater hype train, with all its merits and downsides.
Faster setup and therefore more usage of your BP. It’s like having your fulll Breaker suite and a Medium on the field. Hammer RnD and occasionally Wanton the hand. Blackmail Archives for the win or go for the Remote if you smell an agenda, that’s why I like Eater in Valencia. You can threaten everything actually pretty fast.
Downsides? Quite some and you may be set back to at least normal speed, but you can handle them … more or less.
Swordsman: Parasite it, hopefully before Eater gets trashed. Narrow hate card, but I don’t think you will see much of him, even now.
Wraparound: Obviously you will see this ICE often and you can use D4V1D or Knife it down once and for all. Either way it’s kind of bad for you, but it’s manageable. IMO Knife is the best of the cutlery anyway (shits on Eli etc.).
Crisium Grid: This one REALLY sucks and may become a staple in Weyland and due to the very low Influence maybe even in other decks. It’s not onesided like Swordsman (lets forget Atman) and helps against Shaper as well. You just have to leave the server be or run it down with Crypsis. I don’t like playing any other Breakers (besides Crypsis and maybe Knight) to support Eater. You may also just not play Eater at all if you intend to play Mimic or Corroder as backups, but maybe that’s just me.
Executive Bootcamp: The reason I would play with Singularity and Hades Shard as a backup. I don’t like to rely on Blackmail alone. Banking on the Blackmail spam is not the right decision, corps will adapt.
Other than that I think Eater is very good in Valencia.
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Placed 4th in Madison for a mat with my deck. Nordrunner swept me first round. Then I didn’t lose a game with the deck until I went up against NEH. Spags, paranoid, aaron Andres, and a top 8 from worlds were all there, so completion was stiff. (also played crazy train)
The only tough match up for the deck is fast advance. I will be replacing wanton with singularity. Also will experiment with Hivemind/breeding ground/etc. for medium. Lot of virus wiping at the top table.
It is also worth noting this deck is no fun to play against.
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Neither of your decks were. 
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NEH curved out and didn’t give you a chance to play. You’ll just have to believe me when I say the deck is usually far more interactive than that…
Valencia though was the other 50 minutes of our round, and that was a snooze-fest for sure.
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Yea, Astrotrain, I know.
When you snag 4 points on a turn 3, 2 Medium dig Blackmail v RP, damn right I’m turtling. (Also, drew nothing but TFP that game)
I think I wiped a 1 counter Medium 7 times that game.
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That sounds accurate.
BTW this is more all in, no escape hatch, but so much faster… You’ve inspired me to fight virus wipes. 
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Valencia Estevez: The Angel of Cayambe (Order and Chaos)
Event (30)
3x Blackmail (Fear and Loathing)
3x Day Job (Order and Chaos)
2x Dirty Laundry (Creation and Control)
3x Déjà Vu (Core Set)
2x Frame Job (Opening Moves)
3x I’ve Had Worse (Order and Chaos)
3x Inject (Up and Over)
2x Levy AR Lab Access (Creation and Control)[color=#32CD32] ••••• •[/color]
3x Planned Assault (Honor and Profit)[color=#4169E1] ••••• •[/color]
3x Quality Time (Humanity’s Shadow)[color=#32CD32] •••[/color]
3x Sure Gamble (Core Set)
Hardware (3)
3x Prepaid VoicePAD (Second Thoughts)
Resource (5)
3x Same Old Thing (Creation and Control)
2x Virus Breeding Ground (Order and Chaos)
Program (12)
3x Hivemind (Order and Chaos)
3x Incubator (The Source)
3x Medium (Core Set)
3x Progenitor (Order and Chaos)
15 influence spent (max 15)
50 cards (min 50)
Cards up to Order and Chaos
Deck built on NetrunnerDB.
Install an incubator. Eventually install a progenetor. Get a hivemind on it. Get as many mediums into play as possible. Blackmail R&D for the win. Clearly any rezzes or blackmail (badpub) removal ruins your day, hence all in. But it’s an effective troll deck.
i know maxx has gotten the hype but i feel like valencia is the best new ID from order and chaos. The corp has to respect blackmail even if thats not the plan. Desperado + bad pub + datasucker put valencia into criminal territory efficiency wise and coupled with the new ice destruction tools mean medium pressure is more consistent.
this doesn’t even take into account the valencia decks that try to win in 1 or 2 turns by seeing the entire RnD with giant mediums and demo run or Eater /Keyhole decks which are other ways to go.
the 50 cards “drawback” might have been a problem a cycle ago but between IHW, inject, vigil and earthrise anarchs can tear through the deck now without spending influence.
if valencai’s ability read " 1 recurring credit per run unless the corp has sacrificed one of its precious tech deck slots for an edge case card they may or may not see in the game" i don’t even think its a choice unless you want to be an anarch hipster 
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Interesting opinion. She’s the only one I haven’t played yet. I think I might go the combo route with her; 1 free credit per turn is good, but I think for typical aggression I still prefer Whizzard. A bit unfair to say that without testing Val, but Whizz not only shreds asset play but also makes Medium better by thinning out Jacksons and other assets/upgrades for free, allowing you to see more cards and save money doing so.
Has anyone put in a significant amount of games with Valencia yet? If so, please post your list and its current record; I’d be glad to give it a spin. I’m not the best deckbuilder and I think Valencia is a bit harder to build for than some other Anarchs.
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I’ve been playing a lot of Valencia lately, and I’m still not sure about my list. I should be able to post it sometime tomorrow
The thing is that combo Valencia does the same thing as Whizzard, except the money is more flexible and repeatable. If you can land the second bad pub then every naked asset costs 2 less to trash and you can do it multiple times a turn as compared to Whizzard’s once. If it costs you nothing to get into R&D, then she can use BP to trash assets to make her Medium digs more effective. If there’s ICE in front, then she still saves those credits, just earlier in the run rather than during the accesses. Whizzard’s credits are present from turn 1 and the corp can’t get rid of them, but once you get Val’s BP set up, it does the same thing except better.
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Fair point, I’m just not sold on the idea of running cards to give the Corp more BP just to make your Runner as efficient as another Runner. Granted, BP is better than credits to trash Whizz, but I think Whizzard is more suited for a “good cards” build.
Whizzard can fire once per turn; Valencia 4 times. That’s an additional credit of savings. 2 bad pub, and you’re talking +5 credits of savings a turn. BP is so much better than credits to trash assets. Breaking ICE > trashing assets. You’ll do it far more often.
2x Desperado
2x Security Testing
3x Notoriety
3x Eater
2x Corroder
2x Mimic
2x Yog
3x I’ve Had Worse
3x Inject
3x Blackmail
3x BP Enabler
6/9x Silverware
2x Medium/Keyhole
… I don’t care what else you do, but it should probably be economy events. I’d start there, I think you’ll find the deck is ridiculous. 11-14 slots left after that. Dirty Laundry, Gamble, Day Job + 3? Some recursion?
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I’m still worried about Valencia in the immediate term. Where enough people are terrified and there is a disproportionate amount of BP removal. Playing a blank 50/15 ID even with all the new exciting orange cards is bad. I think it could reasonably happen 2-3 times in a tournament while O&C is the new hotness. Once Haley comes out and everyone is running Housekeeping to stop her installing all the things every turn in their Silver Bullet spot. That’s when I think your deck will be good.
Notoriety, really?
Eater. And cheap runs. With Frame Job it’s the best BP enabler. Picture this:
Eater in play.
Desperado in play.
Sec Testing HQ.
Sec Testing R&D.
Run HQ, Run R&D with Silverware, Run Archives, Notoriety. You just had 4+4+2 credits of value from cards sitting on the table and got a point out of it and blew up ice. Gives you a bit of speed/catchup value. With real breakers you might get accesses and put that Sec Testing on archives instead.
That’s a whole lot of best case scenario, but not impossible to get portions of it in a real live turn.
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