Weyland: How Bad Is It Right Now?

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If he’s running Ravens + DRT, my guesses for the rest of the influence would be some out of faction ICE, Jackson(s) and Closed Accounts.

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As an example:

My GRNDL the influence spread is:

2 Anonymous Tip (Which are fairly interchangeable with Jackson)
1 SEA Source (Which could become a data raven)
2 Snares
2 Wall of Thorns (Which will be Lotus Fields once when Upstalk hits.)

Technically I could swap out the Walls/Lotus Fields for Hive, but I’ve been kinda of meh on Hive.

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Hi, I have two data Raven, two snare, one Jackson and one Isabel McGuire in case DR gets femmed. I also have some pad campaign. The idea is to hide the DRT in amongst other Assets.

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The GRNDL I play against most runs 1 SEA Source and 3 Snares for influence.

Also for assets, that’s it for assets. Just keeps 'em in his hand/in the deck to make running that little bit riskier. Right pain without Deus X out.

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I’ve been playing with a DRT deck the past few weekends (IRL). Its fun but I’ve noticed it really loses steam after a bit. The levy have been really interesting … because on one turn I can tutor for 2 data ravens. I usually put it in my score server, get a few uses off of it to grab whatever ice I’m missing … then replace it with an agenda eventually.

I’m not liking Hive, but I can’t think of a better replacement. Snare has worked wonders. WIth a single DRT up (and especially with an early Cleaners scored), a snare can straight up end games (thats 6 [edit] dmg).

Meat Damage v2

Weyland Consortium: Building a Better World (Core Set)

Agenda (9)

Asset (8)

Operation (15)

Barrier (7)

Code Gate (3)

Sentry (5)

Other (2)

15 influence spent (max 15)
21 agenda points (between 20 and 21)
49 cards (min 45)
Cards up to Double Time

Decklist published on NetrunnerDB.

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Not to knock anyone’s decklists (they look great), but I hate that Weyland players feel/are forced into flatline strategies. As I said before, I think Weyland will be fixed once people can stop running Scorched. DRT is cooler for sure, but still flatline.

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Oh I’ve run non-Scorched Weyland lists before, and to be completely honest I just don’t see anything you can do with 4 deck slots and 2 influence that even approaches, let alone compares to the usefulness of a flatline threat.

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While I agree that Scorched is ‘boring’ … I think its OK to include flatline as a way to create hesitation and scoring windows. Its similar to how I play RP … any threatening ice are really just there to create doubt and/or tax. Like you, however, I look forward to when Weyland has multiple strong deck archetypes.

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I think players just need to realize that the flatline threat is there to slow the runner down and offer a secondary win condition, not to serve as the primary win condition. If I could, every deck I ran would have some sort of flatline threat, because forcing the runner to slow down (even if just to play plascrete) is great, especially with Taurus.

Most decks can’t spare the influence/force the right agendas for it. But 3-5 cards to give yourself another path to victory? That’s easy.

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Another thing: Scorched is just so inelegant (maybe that’s the point of Weyland?). Jinteki flatline is so much more engaging and interactive for both Runner and Corp. This isn’t necessarily a valid complaint against function of course, only form. Against Jinteki, flatline has the Runner wondering “What’s that ICE? What’s in that remote? What’s that upgrade? Oh god, what’s in HQ?” Against Weyland: “Well, they could Scorch me.”

Some may say Weyland’s inelegance is its theme, and maybe they’re right. Weyland is the hammer; Jinteki is the scalpel. Even so, it bums me out that Weyland is the dumb Corp. They have all the money, surely they can hire some good SysOps, develop some good ICE, and figure out a better defense then, “We can always just blow up a few city blocks.”

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It’s true that Weyland is the Kill corp. Scorched earth is there greatest threat. It’s the same reason why APP will always be in NBN agendas because why would you play without it. I can’t see them releasing anything that will replace those two cards without creating power creep.

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So true. I think Weyland has a bit of the Anarch issue at the moment. Yes they can flatline and yes they can do programme destruction. But other factions can just cherry-pick Scorch/Archer/Power Shutdown and do it better.

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But only Weyland can do both consistantly, thanks to Project Atlas. A Midseason/Scorch or CI/Scorch won’t trash your corroder and your yog because you forced the runner to run a remote when they weren’t prepared, a trash program HB deck with shutdown recursion won’t threaten a flatline anytime and a flatline jinteki won’t have the same kind of stopping power that supermodernism usually grab.

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Weyland is as good as it ever has been. The problem is that there are now other corp options that are significantly better than they ever have been.

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I’m testing a HB deck now which uses influence on 3 of Archer, Punitive Counterstrike and Jackson. I can flatline, I can kill programs, I can score in rare case that the runner is actually cautious (this is extra bonus when comparing to Weyland, when playing Weyland everyone is cautious while in HB I get lots of flatlines simply becasuse the runner didn’t bother installing Plascrete or kill rigs because the runner didn’t expect Archer).

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which is to say, weyland has never gotten any better, and the other corps have gotten better and better. fair enough

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Weyland has the same problem as Haas and Jinteki. None of them have access to Autopilot Script Program. Haas has a great ID, Biotic, and Ash to mitigate their lack of Autopilot. Jinteki has RP/Sundew, The Run Negators (Caprice/TFP) and Softopilot (Nisei).

What does Weyland have? The lack of a credible fast advance threat (and, more importantly, the agendas to support such a threat) means as long as the Runner keeps the scoring remote dominated and plays around Getting Blowed Up, they will be fine. Not to completely negate rush decks like Supermodernism. They are good decks. But are they the best decks available?

I would say that Tollbooth and any three cards are better in Weyland than SEA/Scorched. If you want to blow people up, Make the News… That way, when the Runner drops Plascrete, you can always Chugga Chugga all the way home.

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I think Weylands troubles mostly come from having received pretty much no good defensive cards at all since the Core (most of their ICE is not worth the paper it’s printed on) and that together with agendas that needs a secure remote as well as a subtheme that pretty much makes running a taxing deck impossible is the source of their bad times…
It doesn’t help that every corp now has good economy.

Weyland needs new ICE to become really good, but Blue Sun helps as well.

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Surprises work best when they’re least expected, like Jinteki traps outside of Jinteki. This makes me think that other factions’ tag punishment is going to work better in Weyland than going for the scorch. Play 1x-2x SE to keep the runner honest and as a hand disruption tool (my understanding is that most runners take the first SE on the hand, to keep Plascrete until it’s needed to stop a flatline). Then pack Closed Accounts or Bad Times for your actual tag punishment.

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I think supermodernism could do well in the current meta. Runners are so torn between NEH and glacier, that they often can’t afford to find space for Plascretes.